Author Topic: Does Rico Drill Call for Certain Ball Specifications ? (Read 4614 times)

Bowlin for Beer · « **on:** September 16, 2009, 08:16:40 AM »

Do you need a certain amount of top weight, pin-cg lengths, symmetrical vs. asymmetrical cores, low RG or high, etc. ?

Thanks.

storm making it rain · « **Reply #1 on:** September 16, 2009, 04:32:05 PM »

http://brunsnick.com/rico_ball_layout.html

Bowlin for Beer · « **Reply #2 on:** September 16, 2009, 04:45:47 PM »

Thanks for the link. From the information it looks like the top weight and pin-cg lengths don't really matter. What about low RG vs. high RG ? Will a low RG ball have enough backend, or high RG enough early roll ?

I've got a symmetrical core ball with a 2.45 average RG. Should I maybe drill it with the pin higher and more below the middle finger to give it more backend ?

I want to use if for heavier oil.

storm making it rain · « **Reply #3 on:** September 16, 2009, 05:01:47 PM »

i believe that brunsnick suggested a 3-4" pin, dont really remember about the top weight. but im sure you'll get plenty of replies...good luck

Warmon · « **Reply #4 on:** September 16, 2009, 06:16:18 PM »

Ideally you want a Med RG symmetric ball with a pin out distance equal to 1/2 your grip span and a TW of 3oz. It is a High RG / Heavy Forward Roll drilling.
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charlest · « **Reply #5 on:** September 16, 2009, 07:00:08 PM »

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Ideally you want a Med RG symmetric ball with a pin out distance equal to 1/2 your grip span and a TW of 3oz. It is a High RG / Heavy Forward Roll drilling.
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Could you have meant "low RG"?
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EFFEN 10 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 16, 2009, 07:08:46 PM »

My understanding of the Rico drill is that it does not alter the orignal design characteristic of the ball.If the ball was designed to go long down the lane,it still does that.Same deal with a ball designed to read the midlane. All a Rico drill does is smooth out the reaction of the ball to the dry.It eliminates an over/under reaction.
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charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** September 16, 2009, 08:08:27 PM »

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My understanding of the Rico drill is that it does not alter the orignal design characteristic of the ball.If the ball was designed to go long down the lane,it still does that.Same deal with a ball designed to read the midlane. All a Rico drill does is smooth out the reaction of the ball to the dry.It eliminates an over/under reaction.
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I'd have to say that is not my understanding nor is it my experience with Rico drilled balls.

It "smooths" out the reaction because, one, the pin is so low (center of the grip) and it makes the ball want to try to get into a roll much earlier than designed, and, two, the position of MB and the required weight hole make the ball flare more and much earlier than normal, making it hook more and earlier.
These factors can make the ball reaction a little to significantly different than the designed-in ball reaction.

If you have a high ball speed, I can understand why you might see less of a difference than with a more normal drilling. If it's a ball with a very large initial skid, on average, I can also see why you might see not as much difference in length or ball reaction. I have seen medium and huge differences in many balls.
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TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 16, 2009, 08:38:07 PM »

Charlest is dead on. If you were to take a higher end ball and drill one with the RICO and one with say a 5 inch pin to PAP pin above fingers type drilling and threw them both on the same condition, the reactions would be night and day. I knew a guy here who had the original Inferno done like that, one RICO drilled and one 4.5 by 45 degree drilling and the one with the 4.5 x 45 deg drilling looked as though is was 40 feet then a heavy roll down the lane. The RICO drilled Inferno looked like it was getting into a roll at the halfway point down the lane and just made a sweeping type reaction all the way to the pindeck. FWIW, he bowled PBA Regionals and had a 17 mph ball speed and 350 rev rate. The two balls, though the same ball, were completely different in their ball roll/backend reactions.
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Warmon · « **Reply #9 on:** September 17, 2009, 12:50:09 PM »

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Could you have meant "low RG"?

Do you mean the ball or the drilling? In either case, the answer is no. For most bowlers, a Med RG ball works best - the pin is in a high-rg position which tries to conserve energy while the core orientation promotes heavy forward roll. The Med-rg ball will also try to conserve energy longer. A RICO on a low-rg ball wants to burn energy too soon - with a good chance of hitting like a marshmallow for many types of bowlers in the right conditions.

I tend to agree with EFFEN 10, in that every ball has its own inherent nature and that no drilling changes that.
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charlest · « **Reply #10 on:** September 20, 2009, 06:59:54 PM »

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Could you have meant "low RG"?

Do you mean the ball or the drilling?

Drilling.

If you have a medium RG ball and you put a Rico drillign on it, you will create alower RG ball than the original ball.

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In either case, the answer is no. For most bowlers, a Med RG ball works best - the pin is in a high-rg position which tries to conserve energy while the core orientation promotes heavy forward roll. The Med-rg ball will also try to conserve energy longer. A RICO on a low-rg ball wants to burn energy too soon - with a good chance of hitting like a marshmallow for many types of bowlers in the right conditions.

Agreed. That wassn't what I wass talking about.

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I tend to agree with EFFEN 10, in that every ball has its own inherent nature and that no drilling changes that.
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WRONG!!
Drillings will change that, potentially enormously!! AS TwoHands, an experienced pro shop and driller guy, and a winner of of an Eagle, has agreed
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JustRico · « **Reply #11 on:** September 20, 2009, 07:09:29 PM »

Surface dictates length and layout enhances ball's characteristics.
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KingofKings696 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 21, 2009, 12:30:43 AM »

Sooo you say this will also increase the overall reaction so I should take a medium light ball to put this on? which should make it more like a medium oil ball....?

Also I have a PAP when I last checked of 4 out 11/16 up would a normal rico work for this pap or would I need to adjust anything to keep it from rolling over fingers or anything(never have but I always use pin ups)....

Edited on 9/21/2009 7:54 AM

Warmon · « **Reply #13 on:** September 21, 2009, 09:33:18 PM »

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If you have a medium RG ball and you put a Rico drilling on it, you will create a lower RG ball than the original ball.

charlest, you are gonna have to explain that one. FYI, the further pin is from pap, the higher rg plane the ball will be in. Min rg will be pin on pap. Max rg wiil be pin 6.75 from pap. You can disagree on the inherent nature ball issue if you wish, but I am not "wrong". You can't punch two holes into the top of the core and one into the side and turn a med-rg ball into a low-rg / center heavy one.
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