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bluerrpilot

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high axis tilt layout question
« on: November 12, 2008, 06:58:23 AM »
If 2 bowlers have similar paps (4 1/2" for example) but one has roughly 35deg of tilt and the other has around 10 degrees. Both players want a very flippy layout. What changes or alterations do you make for the player with exessive tilt.

Also what type of layouts loose axis tilt quicker.
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bluerrpilot

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Re: high axis tilt layout question
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2008, 10:27:14 PM »
Bueller ?
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Re: high axis tilt layout question
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2008, 11:46:57 PM »
This is a great question, while I am sure there are others on here that could do a better job of anwsering it, I will take a stab at it.

The player with the more tilt is naturally going to get more length and flip than the player with the smaller tilt.  Keep that in mind when drilling.  A suggestion would be keep the pin to pap the same, just change the pin buffer or keep the pin a little lower for the player with the higher tilt.  

Layouts that loose axis tilt faster are layouts that are going to get the core to stand up faster.  Basicaly putting the pin closer than 3 3/ inches from the PAP.

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Re: high axis tilt layout question
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2008, 12:16:39 AM »
Me thinks their PAPs wouldn't be the same.  Sure, the horizontal measurement could be the same, but the vertical measurement would different...eh?

I've found that lower pins work for higher tilt players, regardless of ball speed(discounting extremely slow or fast).
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Re: high axis tilt layout question
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2008, 07:15:08 AM »
More surface and lower/shorter pins help lose tilt faster.
Less surface and/or polish, and higher/longer pins help add length.

Aside: 35 degrees is a HUGE amount of tilt or did you just use it as an example?
I used to have 20 degrees of tilt and thought that was a lot. Then I almost always used pins under the level of the bridge area.

If someone with 35 degrees of tilt wants a flippy layout, almost any normal layout will be flippy for him.
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bluerrpilot

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Re: high axis tilt layout question
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2008, 08:09:49 AM »
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Aside: 35 degrees is a HUGE amount of tilt or did you just use it as an example?
I used to have 20 degrees of tilt and thought that was a lot. Then I almost always used pins under the level of the bridge area.


He has between 25 and 30 degress. I was using 35 and 10 to get a broader example.


Agroves: His pap has no up measurment. Its 4 1/4 straight across. Alot of spin and tilt and not alot of axis rotation.

Normally I would suggest more surface from this bowler and earlier rolling layouts. Plus the ball he brought in to have drilled isnt what I would have suggested for him for the purpose he wanted.


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Re: high axis tilt layout question
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2008, 10:39:09 AM »
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Me thinks their PAPs wouldn't be the same. Sure, the horizontal measurement could be the same, but the vertical measurement would different...eh?


Not necessarily.  The smaller track (higher axis tilt) could be a concentric circle inside the larger one.  Then the PAP's would be exactly the same.--  JohnP