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JessN16

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The "five-finger drill experiment" has begun...UPDATE
« on: March 08, 2009, 10:40:45 AM »
I've been drilling four fingers for myself for years (pinky finger hole), but I've always been kind of curious whether adding an index finger would be a good idea or whether it would even work.

So I bought a $10 ball off eBay (an old AMF RPM Ultra C pearl) and decided to experiment a little. I've yet to throw it in practice or league but will update this thread when I do.

I did want to pass along information on setup, at least: Not knowing how to set it up and flying completely by the seat of my pants, I first just took the ball, relaxed my hand, and held it. Then I marked the angle away from the middle finger based on where my hand wanted to go naturally.

From drilling pinky finger holes, I've found that a 20-degree angle away from the ring, center-to-center, works best. For pitches, I take whatever the ring is for laterals -- meaning, 1/2 inch away (right). For forward/reverse, if it's a ball I plan to want to swing or know I'll need to rev, I'll take my ring pitch (which is 0, but with inserts becomes a default 1/8 to 1/4 forward depending on which insert I'm using) and cut it in half. So on a 1/4 ring, the pinky will be 1/8 forward. If it's a ball that I'm going to be going more up the back of and shooting off the corner, I'll cut the pinky at 0.

For the index, I decided to just use the middle finger pitch, 1/4 forward. I quickly found out that wasn't going to work. I've got a big backyard with soft grass, and prior to drilling the Ultra C, I took an old cracked Velocity that I use to confirm my drill press is being accurate, and put an index in it, then went out and threw it in the backyard and taped myself.

What I found out was the index finger made me want to turn the ball counterclockwise too soon at release. Instead of being able to stay on the inside part of the ball until the last fraction of a second and then snap out of it, the ball would want to turn earlier and as a result, the ball would come out with different axis/tilt numbers. Obviously, you can't count "grass rings" so this will have to wait until I get to the lanes to confirm.

But I did find that 1/4 forward is way too much and was actually causing some discomfort. So I drilled the one in the Ultra C at 1/8 reverse and, at least when throwing it into an old recliner I have in my shop to test releases, determined that it was much more comfortable than forward.

Early tip: The standard of how to measure proper fingertip length on the fly by using the forward lip of the hole and where it falls on your finger joints won't work here. I feel I need to drill the index shorter by about 1/8 - 1/4 inch. If I'm right, I'll have to plug the Ultra C next week and adjust, but that's the beauty of doing this with a $10, twice-plugged-already ball.

Jess

Edited on 3/8/2009 10:27 PM

 

Kid Jete

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Re: The "five-finger drill experiment" has begun...UPDATE
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2009, 06:49:29 PM »
Have you experimented with the location of the index hole yet?  I would assume for it to be comfortable, for me anyway, the index would have to be drilled probably an inch or more left and below the middle.

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Re: The "five-finger drill experiment" has begun...UPDATE
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2009, 07:12:30 PM »

 Keep in mind that you are now using the strongest finger of your hand to throw the ball, the natural tendency is to over turn the ball.

JessN16

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Re: The "five-finger drill experiment" has begun...UPDATE
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2009, 07:18:55 PM »
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Have you experimented with the location of the index hole yet?  I would assume for it to be comfortable, for me anyway, the index would have to be drilled probably an inch or more left and below the middle.


I probably should have gone that way right off the bat, but whereas my pinky is an inch shorter than my ring finger, my index is only 3/8 shorter than my middle. I still used the same 20-degree angle that I did for the pinky, though, and even that was too long. It feels about 1/2-inch stretched.

I didn't want to get further away from the middle because I didn't want to risk thumping a hole. I'm already at pin-over-middle with this ball and when I do that, it typically has the effect of raising the track because of what it does to the bowtie.

Jess

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Re: The "five-finger drill experiment" has begun...UPDATE
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2009, 10:27:36 PM »
Took this one out tonight and tested it -- interesting results.

Perhaps it's a span thing (too long?), but when I'm using the index finger hole on this ball that's ALL I feel. I'm very conscious of having my finger in that hole in the ball, and it's a bigger difference than if I'm using or not using my pinky.

When throwing normally, there wasn't much of a difference in reaction. Biggest thing for me is that I didn't appear to tilt it as much. The ball was rolling more end-over-end at the start. Revs appeared equal, or at least, too close to call.

The big difference, though, was when I got my hand right behind the ball to play straight up the boards. Revs go down in that scenario big time, but the ball was on its roll axis a lot sooner and hit very hard at the pins.

Biggest advantage? Spare shooting. My accuracy got a lot better and it was a lot easier to throw a truly straight ball. I just "pointed" my index finger at the target through and after release and there it went.

Biggest disadvantage? Instead of lessening stress on my wrist, it felt like I might have added to it a little. But that could be the aforementioned span issue.

Summary: I doubt I'll drill this hole in my other equipment, but I might in my spare ball. I could definitely see how this would help me shooting the 10-pin.

Jess