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Raven829

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Layout ? for high tracker with a high t.w. ball
« on: November 18, 2007, 03:32:03 PM »
A friend and teammate of mine recently bought a Special Agent at a local shop.  I do not know his PAP, but I do know that he tracks high.  He approached me tonight asking why he was thumping over the middle finger with the ball.  I looked at the layout and told him it was because as a high tracker, his pin was too low.  It is under the ring finger with the CG stacked below.  I told him he would probably have to get it redrilled, but there's a problem.  His span is over 5", the pin is out only 1.5", and the ball has 5.5 oz of top weight.  

I'm assuming that it will be quite difficult to put the pin high enough to get him off the middle finger while still making the ball legal with that much top.  Any suggestions?  

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Re: Layout ? for high tracker with a high t.w. ball
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2007, 12:12:07 AM »
Remember CG no matter!!
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Re: Layout ? for high tracker with a high t.w. ball
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2007, 12:38:17 AM »
Well after you plug the ball confirm the CG.  You could possible get away with keeping the statics intact, but you will be putting such a large weight hole in a flare decreasing spot.  

If the ball does not already have a weight hole,you should try putting one in the thumb positive quadrant to raise the bow tie first.

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Raven829

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Re: Layout ? for high tracker with a high t.w. ball
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2007, 01:25:47 AM »
The ball does already have a weight hole.  It is on the grip midline about 4" over.  

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Re: Layout ? for high tracker with a high t.w. ball
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2007, 05:42:15 AM »
I think whoever drilled the ball owes your friend a plug and redrill. If he knew your friends PAP and put the pin low he's definitely wrong and if he didn't know your friends PAP he should have put the pin in a safe zone. I also hope he didn't pay retail for the ball cause It sounds like a blem with that much topweight (I could be wrong here). Sounds like a ball that needs a skilled scale man to make it come out right.
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Re: Layout ? for high tracker with a high t.w. ball
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2007, 06:33:37 AM »
My question to your friend is ..IF he knows he's a high tracker, why buy a ball with that short of a pin ? and why did the shop sell it to him ? I have a couple high tracker customers and they/we agree that a short pin is not good for them and I only order longer pins for them. Maybe I'm wrong here but just to sell a ball, unless he got a heck of a deal knowing the short pin was not good for him, but I don't sell short pins to my high trackers for just that reason.

I will agree the guy is due a free plug/redrill. JMO.
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Re: Layout ? for high tracker with a high t.w. ball
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2007, 06:45:34 AM »
Does your friend atleast like the ball reaction?  If so and it's just the thumping that is giving him issues I would plug the weight hole and put in another one down in the thumb quadrant.  This will raise the bow-tie on the ball which should keep the back flares away from the middle finger...assuming I'm understanding the issue correctly.
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Re: Layout ? for high tracker with a high t.w. ball
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2007, 07:48:36 AM »
I have a 5 1/2 pap and have no problems with short pin balls unless I place the pin at or below my mid line.

I think too much top weight is causing this problem along with the pap not really being known..

No argument here, just as a rule of thumb, short pins and high trackers usually don't mix. Not knowing his PAP, not really knowing much about him, that was a general statement for my customers that track high, that's all.


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Re: Layout ? for high tracker with a high t.w. ball
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2007, 12:56:38 PM »
I was thinking that he is owed a free plug and redrill also.  I only spent about 5 minutes with him last night discussing it.  I did tell him that the shop should never have sold him the ball.  He doesn't know his PAP and having dealt with all the shops in the area, I can guarantee that they don't either.  I'm sure he got a heck of a deal on the ball, but what's the point if the layout is bad ya know?  

My friend knows 0 about layouts and trusted the shop to do him right.  I didn't get to see him throw it or ask him if he likes the reaction or not.  I'm not sure I'd trust the shop to redrill it correctly anyhow.  I bowl with him tonight and I'll discuss it some more.

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Re: Layout ? for high tracker with a high t.w. ball
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2007, 07:23:16 PM »
After thinking about this guy, the shop owner, I guess I'm just a bit ticked. I will admit, I was not there, don't know the conversation, don't know the deal he was given or any of that...BUT... I could not have done what, as I see it, what was done to this guy. I'll admit I love to sell balls, see me make a few bucks and a happy customer. However, IMO, this shop owner just passed off a ball to a guy and stuck the money in the books.

Maybe I'll never get rich, shoot maybe I'll never make a great living off my shop but I couldn't sell this guy the ball with that drilling if I had any idea he was a high tracker. Now, maybe the owner didn't know, maybe, then it's not really his fault, but not to check with the guy to see how he liked the ball/reaction , that's just making a sale and not caring, IMO.

I call or see each customer a few days after any ball sale/drill just to see if there's any problem with the fit, layout and how did the ball do ? Just how I do things. If this owner had done this he'd known that the customer is/was not happy and at least talked to the guy to see what could be done to make him a 'happy camper'.

As I said, I do/did not know what was said, done or any part of that transaction but not to check back or to sell in the first place, was just bad business, IMO and maybe...just maybe that's why/how some shops get bad reps...who knows.

Not pointing fingers ay anyone, no matter what shop it is but just speaking my mind.
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