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Chivas

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CG has to be in line with Center Grip?
« on: August 03, 2007, 05:36:50 PM »
I have seen many people drilled their ball with CG in line horizontaly (90 degree to the span) with their cecnter grip. What is the advantage of it? and what if I put CG under the center grip or even over it?

Still Learning to layout the ball here since its not easy to find decent driller where I live
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FastTracker33

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Re: CG has to be in line with Center Grip?
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2007, 02:00:35 AM »
It may not be a good idea to ask a CG question here anymore lol. But i'll try to answer if I could..

Putting the CG in the center of the span really has no effect on the ball reaction. The biggest part of your ball reaction comes from the Pin, or Locater Pin it's also referred to as. Although, the CG does still play slight effect in the reaction. What you've seen is probably the 1:30 Label layout. That puts the CG in the center of the span with the pin just right of the ring finger. That's what i'm guessing you saw. If you put the CG above or below the center of the grip, that will not change the ball reaction drastically..

I hope this helps in some way, and I hope I didn't give you false info. If so, someone please correct me.
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charlest

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Re: CG has to be in line with Center Grip?
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2007, 08:10:30 AM »
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I have seen many people drilled their ball with CG in line horizontaly (90 degree to the span) with their cecnter grip. What is the advantage of it? and what if I put CG under the center grip or even over it?

Still Learning to layout the ball here since its not easy to find decent driller where I live
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If, for a right hander, you are saying that you see the CG 1" or so directly to the right of the grip center (when looking at the grip with the fingers on top or 12:00, and thumb on the bottom or 6:00), then there are, I believe, two main reasons for that.
1) They want the CG stacked directly below the pin to produce a strong,flippy type of reaction. They may be mistaken because they are looking at the pin and CG with relation to their gripping holes instead of with respect to their PAP.
2) It is a safe idea to drill a ball with the CG placed so as to leave aprroximately 3/4 to 1 oz or so of side weight (and also some thumb weight). This gives you the option, if the ball's reaction is not quite what you'd like it to be, to place a weight hole to modify the ball's core and thus its flare capabilities, by removing that extra weight. The weight hole can be placed to give you flare increasing or flare decreasing dynamics.
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shelley

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Re: CG has to be in line with Center Grip?
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2007, 08:27:29 AM »
The midline is a line through the center of grip perpendicular to the finger/thumb line.  It divides the ball into two halves, the finger half and the thumb half.  When people talk about finger weight or thumb weight, they mean that one of those halves is heavier than the other (by up to 1oz).

Putting the CG on the midline, whether it's close to the grip or swung out, balances the finger and thumb weight naturally.  Putting the CG high above the midline gives finger weight, below thumb weight.  If you have too much finger or thumb weight, you need to add a weight hole above or below the midline (respoectively) to remove it.  You can also drill the fingers or thumb deeper to remove excess finger or thumb weight.

The easiest thing to do, though, is put the CG close to the midline.  It's why long pins tend to get placed above the fingers and why short pins tend to get placed below them.

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Re: CG has to be in line with Center Grip?
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2007, 09:35:15 AM »
Even on symmetricals, I find the mass bias and the CG is taken out of the equation.  I think that the effects of mass bias placement are more influential than CG placement, even on symmetrical balls.

Chivas

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Re: CG has to be in line with Center Grip?
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2007, 11:04:07 AM »
Ahh ok, I get the picture now. Thank you all
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