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Jim12387

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Drilling Help Needed Please!!!!
« on: February 06, 2005, 10:53:26 AM »
What drilling should I use to go have a ball go long, but not snap. I am left handed. The ball is a low rg ball.

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Jim12387

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Re: Drilling Help Needed Please!!!!
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2005, 08:32:47 PM »
Speed - 18 mph
Revs - medium
any roll (side, forward)- but usually 45 degree.
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Re: Drilling Help Needed Please!!!!
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2005, 02:10:05 PM »
How long is long...?  And how much flare potential in the ball?

Generally speaking, a 5" pin is the longest most bowlers prefer to use and for a smoother backend, I'd go with a 5 x 2.
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Jim12387

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Re: Drilling Help Needed Please!!!!
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2005, 02:38:59 PM »
Well, I dont want the ball midlane. I dont want the ball early roll. I want the ball to go long, but still recover on med/heavy patterns. I was thinking a pin over the fingers, bu I dont know where to put the cg. Also, what is meant by 5 by 2?
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How long is long...?  And how much flare potential in the ball?

Generally speaking, a 5" pin is the longest most bowlers prefer to use and for a smoother backend, I'd go with a 5 x 2.
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Re: Drilling Help Needed Please!!!!
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2005, 05:42:00 PM »
I have a WMB, Intense Inferno, Crunch Time, Super Charge, and the ball I want to drill is the absolute Inferno. The wmb is a heavy oil ball, hooks early, and doesnt cover alot of boards. On dry patterns the ball burns up, and leaves alot of 7 pins. My Intense Inferno on medium/heavier patterns goes too long, as the pin is over the fingers (long and snap). My crunch Time returns to the pocket on any pattern I bowl, but carries nothing on heavy oil. The super charge goes too long, and snaps a ton. I would like to see this new ball go down the lane NOT as far as the super charge, and not turn so violently. I think a 5 x 2 drilling is way too weak. I was thinking of this new ball to be pin under fingers, with the mass bias on my PAP line. I think that this will get the ball down the lane, because of the activator +, but not turn sharply. Correct me if Im wrong. The drill patern I was thinking of is the pattern brunsNick put on his absolute, just switched because Im lefty. The video is here...

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNzcxNTY0NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D
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Excellent questions.....

What is meant by "5 by 2" can give you two answers.

1- The older track system of placing the pin and cg set distances from your PAP (Axis Point).  In the case of 5 by 2, it would put the pin 5 inches from your axis, and the cg 2 inches from your axis.  This is still a technique that is used on some symmetrical cores, but is quickly being made obsolete.

2- The newer system developed by Mo Pinell and Del Warren of placing the pin and mass bias certain distances from the PAP.  In this technique the placement of the pin stays the same, however the mass bias is placed 2 inches from the PAP, not the cg.

On many newer balls the cg is becoming less and less important.  If you are drilling a morpheus core or one of the new Morich balls you could just about disregard it altogether.

Drilling techniques are things that I would worry very little about unless you work in a pro shop, or bowl on a LOT of different oil patterns.  Now by different patterns I don't mean different house shots, I mean like tournament conditions (regionals, megabucks, tough patterns in general).  Knowing the basics of drilling techniques w/o the practical applications can lead to more confusion than solutions.  I would just find a pro shop guy that really knows his/her stuff and let them handle the dirty work.


NOOOWWW...on to your real question.....

You are still a little too general to say exactly what you need.  However there are some things that we should address.

- You are asking for something that is very tough to do.  The way that a ball "recovers" is by releasing energy.  This energy release has to have some key ingredients:
  - Oil to get the ball down the lane (not necessarily a lot, just enough)
  - A ball that is able to store energy
  - An area of friction to allow the ball to release energy
  - MOST IMPORTANTLY - a ballroll (bowler) that allows the ball to release energy.

This being said, it is very tough to make a ball recover much at all on heavy oil patterns.  With the oil being heavy it is tough to make the third element happen, a friction area.  Without the friction area the ball will never be able to release it's energy.  When people tell you they have a ball that snaps in heavy oil, they are lying.  It is impossible by the laws of physics to make that happen.

So now that we have that let's get some more specific information.
 - what balls do you have now
 - what do they do for you
 - where do you want this ball to fit in this picture
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Jim12387

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Re: Drilling Help Needed Please!!!!
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2005, 08:30:34 PM »
thanks jabroni
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