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TeeP Nade

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dual angle help
« on: July 18, 2017, 02:08:22 PM »
i have a venom shock that i REALLY love. im debating about drilling a new one. i understand the basics of dual angle. i'd like to get this 2nd shock to not read the dry/friction as hard, ive noticed when the pattern(specifically on sport) starts to burn up, i try to throw harder, and that afftects pin carry. and beforre anybody suggests it, i dont want to try a different ball as with my speed, i match up to solids well. for the sake of discussion because i do not have the ball infront of me to get the exact specs, lets just say its 60 x 5 x 40. dont like low end stuff because it seems to be too flippy, and too strong on the dry and not strong enough for wet. i was thinking go 60 x 6 x 40 so that it dosnt flare as much and isnt as strong in the dry. would 1 inch be enough? also i could change surface to 4k along with the 6inch pin to pap. whats everyones opinions

 

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Re: dual angle help
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2017, 11:26:04 AM »
I understand.  I guess you could weaken the drilling and if you like the even rolling look, then consider going less than 3.5 inches on your pin-PAP.  Once you polish the Shock it might want to check up on you a little bit if the heads are starting to go.

Get with your driller to discuss.  Also hope other chime in here also.

I agree, maybe a 2" pin to PAP and some surface to get more front to back.
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Re: dual angle help
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2017, 11:32:57 AM »
Change surface and hand position .Surface is most critical

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Re: dual angle help
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2017, 09:00:05 AM »
It just sounds like you're trying to over-complicate things.  It's a typical point of progression for most pro shop guys, you want to know the technical stuff so you can feel like you know what you're doing, but the more technical stuff you know, the more you realize simpler is better.  It's nice to know just to know, but the game needs less math and more personal vision and feel.  I can take one ball with one surface and one drill and make it do 7 different things, I don't need 7 different balls with different surfaces and layouts to make up for my lack of skill and/or versatility.  Bowler skill > math any day of the week.  Understanding how layouts affect ball reaction is definitely good information, but doing abstract things so you can feel smarter is just taking something simple and making it complicated for the sake of ego really.  Not trying to be mean or dog anyone, and I'm not insinuating that you're an egomaniac on a trip, just saying that's where it leads. 
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Re: dual angle help
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2017, 09:08:44 AM »
It just sounds like you're trying to over-complicate things.  It's a typical point of progression for most pro shop guys, you want to know the technical stuff so you can feel like you know what you're doing, but the more technical stuff you know, the more you realize simpler is better.  It's nice to know just to know, but the game needs less math and more personal vision and feel.  I can take one ball with one surface and one drill and make it do 7 different things, I don't need 7 different balls with different surfaces and layouts to make up for my lack of skill and/or versatility.  Bowler skill > math any day of the week.  Understanding how layouts affect ball reaction is definitely good information, but doing abstract things so you can feel smarter is just taking something simple and making it complicated for the sake of ego really.  Not trying to be mean or dog anyone, and I'm not insinuating that you're an egomaniac on a trip, just saying that's where it leads. 

knowledge is power :D

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Re: dual angle help
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2017, 09:55:17 AM »
Lol knowledge can also mind-f#@% the shiatsu out of you too.  Context is often the most important thing.  Knowledge is worthless and often detrimental if you don't know how to utilize it. 

It just sounds like you're trying to over-complicate things.  It's a typical point of progression for most pro shop guys, you want to know the technical stuff so you can feel like you know what you're doing, but the more technical stuff you know, the more you realize simpler is better.  It's nice to know just to know, but the game needs less math and more personal vision and feel.  I can take one ball with one surface and one drill and make it do 7 different things, I don't need 7 different balls with different surfaces and layouts to make up for my lack of skill and/or versatility.  Bowler skill > math any day of the week.  Understanding how layouts affect ball reaction is definitely good information, but doing abstract things so you can feel smarter is just taking something simple and making it complicated for the sake of ego really.  Not trying to be mean or dog anyone, and I'm not insinuating that you're an egomaniac on a trip, just saying that's where it leads. 

knowledge is power :D
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Re: dual angle help
« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2017, 10:03:20 AM »
Lol knowledge can also mind-f#@% the shiatsu out of you too.  Context is often the most important thing.  Knowledge is worthless and often detrimental if you don't know how to utilize it.

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