Hello Everyone,

 I have been reading comments from Ballreviews.com for a very long time but just now took the time to register so I'm a  newbie.

 I have been bowling for many years, and am a speed dominant bowler. Most of my equipment has always been drilled stack leverage. I went to my pro shop guy the other day to purchase a new ball (714C) and he said he could give me a much better layout if he used the dual angle procedure. So I find my PAP to be 6 1/8 ". I go back to the pro shop and when he lays the ball out, he said he wouldn't recommend it because the core was flipped to far so he drilled it the same as the rest. My question is can the dual layout really not be used with a PAP that large or do I have other options?

Thanks in advance for any help!

Did you find your pap on a plastic ball or a flaring ball??

No reason you can't use dual angle layouts. I would recommend using a ball that flares some when finding your pap. You are drilling a ball that will flare so if you want the layout to be accurate you want the pap you use to be the same as it should be on the ball you are drilling. The one thing you have to understand is that all layouts can be expressed in dual angles. It's not like dual angle is some sort of extreme trick layout. So technically your ball still has a dual angle layout...

Not sure what you mean by a practical position??? Your pap will determine the position of the core once you release the ball. Once the ball is on the lanes where your finger and thumb holes are drilled makes no difference. Using the nuts pearl should give you a better idea. It probably won't change it a ton but should move it closer to 5.5" over i suspect. if he isn't using your PAP to drill your ball you aren't really getting stacked leverage....if he didn't wasn't to use your pap to drill the ball i wouldn't go back....just my opinion.

Thanks guys. I'll get a couple of pics up tomorrow for you Paul.

Tdub, when I was referring to "practical" I was meaning everything is stacked close to my span. The pro shop said with my PAP being where it seemed to be that it would kick the pin and CG way too far over.

Thanks guys. I'll get a couple of pics up tomorrow for you Paul.

Tdub, when I was referring to "practical" I was meaning everything is stacked close to my span. The pro shop said with my PAP being where it seemed to be that it would kick the pin and CG way too far over.

When he says "way too far over", you might want him to clarify what that means. Way too far over so that you might need an extra hole?

Sounds like he doesn't really know what he's talking about. Dual angle is dual angle no matter if your PAP is 3x1 or 6x0.

It sounds like he may be confused a little.. The dual angle system is a great way to layout a ball with any PAP.  If you could give us some more info on your game and what exactly you are looking for, you can get some great advice on exactly how to lay the ball out for your game. 

I have a couple blank balls laying around, i can lay out a ball and send you a pic of what it looks like if you want.  Just gimme your email.  Every ball really has a dual angle layout like previously stated.  Just knowing what the angles are gonna be before you start gives you the desired total reaction that fits your game.  Lemme know man we're all here to help ya.