Apologies in advance if this is a dumb question, but I'm trying to noodle thru this... By my own measurements, I have 70-90 degrees axis rotation, which should translate into skid. I have a ball (Vandal #2) that comes out to be 30 x 4.5 x 35, and doesn't move much. I had thought that shortening the angles would help, not hurt. I have another ball, a solid (Melee Cross), that comes up as 70 x 3.5 x 50, which works great.

I know I shouldn't say ignore surface, but for purposes of this discussion, both balls are 2000. The Vandal is lightly polished...

Is the following scenario possible for a low rev lefty on decent amount of oil? Speed is 13.5 on the Brunswick monitor. PAP is 5 x 1

Short drill angle, first transition completes in the oil, second transition is still in oil instead of end of the pattern, so doesn't really get into hook phase too well, and by the time I get to the end of pattern, the ball has done it's dance, all in the oil, never really grabbing, but it's essentially spun it's wheels in the oil... There's nothing left? Ergo, it appears weak.

Forget adjustments, forget alternatives, those are the next questions. Is the scenario itself  as described above theoretically possible?

Thanks
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Changing the surface of the balls will change the roll,no matter what drill angles you have on it

I measured it at 12 degrees.

I hear an echo in here........  😎

No

Thanks its... I'll look for another answer then. I've explored surface on this one already before  I asked. It's got to be continued issues with the way I'm prepping the ball.

100... To me, as a low rev lefty, volume is a relative term. The house I bowl at is classified as medium for the righties... As you would expect, as they are balling down all night, I frequently find myself trying to get something started up until end of 2nd game with my "medium" bag.. Melee Cross, GB2, both drilled strong. And yet, my Scandal and Phaze II are weak at the same point.....

Let's see if we are in sync... The relative reaction of the Melee Cross to the Phaze II and Scandal were for reference. The actual ball I mentioned earlier is a polished Vandal (Vandal #2 for me). I agree with the conclusion on Scandal and P II, but they are for other conditions. Everything I have currently is set around 55-60 x 4 x 60, including V #1. Until V#1, everything was early and smooth. I need more length and angle, so I bought V#1. Works fine sometimes, but I tend to go thru the break point. When I changed surface to fix that, I lost too much angle. Soooo... In comes V#2, set with smaller angles to transition earlier, and in theory snap quicker. See where I'm going? That ball comes off the pattern DOA, or at least on life support. Yes, I can tweak the surface, but I'm sure I'll end up with a loss of angle that the whole adventure has been trying to gain. Hence the original question... I've never used angles this short before, could it be doing its dance in the pattern and all done by the time it hits the end? Sounds like the answer is no, that's not possible, so I'll have to touch surface next, maybe just crack the shell...

At low revs and 13.5 mph looking for snap is searching for a unicorn.