Author Topic: Bunnetta Method...Now I have it! (Read 7355 times)

LuckyLefty · « **on:** December 17, 2005, 05:35:09 PM »

A while back I posted a question on the drilling method called the "Bunnetta method" (it appears that it was the method recommended by AMF for a long time.

Anyway I got my hands on the stuff...and found some very interesting material and I have some observations I'll try to get out on this board over the next couple of days!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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a_ak57 · « **Reply #16 on:** December 21, 2005, 08:30:11 PM »

My main question is about the heartline thing. Say by the heartline method I should have 0 pitch. So what happens if I take my span from 4 1/4 to 4 3/4? (just making up numbers) Am I really just supposed to leave the pitch how it is? That seems awkward. I don't know, I think I'll stick with "crazy" old Bill Taylor's method of changing thumb pitch with span...
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #17 on:** December 22, 2005, 12:04:41 AM »

From what I saw in the illustrations he gave...for example.

It seemed the thumb was always left the same....Specifically stated that moving thumb with spans was not done. but also stated longer spans required more reverse in fingers. Illustrated a person with a relaxed span of about 4 1/2 goting to 4 5/8 and adding 1/8 more reverse to fingers.

This makes sense in a way....something has got to give to get one out of the ball. If not thumb...then fingers.

Any others know this metod.

REgards,

Luckylefty
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mogators · « **Reply #18 on:** December 22, 2005, 06:09:32 AM »

This topic definately has me thinking of tinkering with my pitches again. I always seem to have trouble getting out of my thumb cleanly on a regular basis. Sometimes I will hang in the thumb while other times I lose the ball early off my thumb resulting in a wide shot with no hit on it. I found an old drill sheet in my bag that should be close to what I'm currently using, I may have changed it slightly but I know I am still under palm with reverse.
Here are what my stats are: Rt. Handed
Middle finger span 5 1/8
Ring finger span 5 1/4
Thumb 5/8 reverse, 1/8 under palm
Using the tests from this method, my thumb is most comfortable when it points between my index finger and middle finger suggesting either 0 or even slightly away from palm. 5/8 seems like a lot of reverse according to this method but I do have a long span. I also have been feeling stiffness/pain in my middle finger at the first joint, maybe reverse needed in fingers.
Here's what I'm thinking of trying, adding a little reverse in the fingers and changing to 0 or 1/8 away on the thumb. What will the change in thumb pitch do to my release? Should I also change the amount of reverse? Any suggestions?

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #19 on:** December 22, 2005, 07:37:31 AM »

You haven't described the "heartline" test which would give you the forward reverse for your thumb from this method.

However a 5/8 reverse by Bill taylor with your span is very common and slightly forward of the tables.

I have not even tested this method.

I still await replys from Long term gurus on this method.

REgards,

Luckylefty
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mogators · « **Reply #20 on:** December 22, 2005, 08:13:45 AM »

LL, sorry forgot to put in that test. I can comfortably get to about 1/4 inch from the heartline, but if I strain I can get all the way there. Also, my spans are actually currently a little on the relaxed side and my fingers have 0 reverse. I feel that my release problems are due to having the thumb a little loose in order to be able to get out of the ball which is causing me to squeeze a little. I also have the ball several inches away from my slide foot at release (I wish I could get it in closer).

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #21 on:** December 22, 2005, 09:06:15 AM »

Okay...I am NOT an expert in this system as I pluggin on a few good but unused balls.

Sounds like if you want to try this system(I am not using these balls in league or competition).

1/8 reverse on thumb..uncertain on lateral(see below). Add say 3/16 reverse on fingers. the longer one make 1/4 reverse.
Slightly more than shorter one.

As to lateral palm pitch. One is to point fingers to middle finger...in between middle and ring...and ring....one test. Another test pick up pencil from table with middle ring and thumb. Where does thumb point. Another lateral test...grab forearm underneath where does thumb point.

All tests should be in near agreement. Nowhere does he talk about testing to index finger with the touching test.

Anyway...ring is about 1/8 lateral palm to slightly more. split is 0 and middle is maybe 1/8 left for a righty.

Be very careful... Going forward in thumb can hang one up but good if you don't go slow.

I'll report back on my testing!

Regards,

Luckylefty
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #22 on:** December 22, 2005, 08:10:49 PM »

Gurus...your comments on this older method?

REgards,

Luckylefty
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TheIronMan · « **Reply #23 on:** December 22, 2005, 08:49:52 PM »

Maybe I don't understand the method fully, but if the flexibility of your thumb is the only test for forward/reverse, it seems almost impossible to ever have much forward on the thumb. I don't like any system that prohibitive. Unless someone has a heartline a lot different than mine, how could they get their thumb to say...3/8" below the heartline? The best I can do is 1/2" above on the heartline test and I bowl with 1/4" forward, so go figure.
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #24 on:** December 22, 2005, 10:33:13 PM »

I test out at 1/8 forward in relation to heartline...sort of flexible in a way.

But not flexible back...as in 105 degrees standard push back test.

I'm sort of intrigued with the reverse in fingers on "longer spans".

And intrigued by more reverse in longer span finger to give same feel!

Hmmmmm? As I have 3 balls in the plugging process to examine.

I also test out a little different for lateral under than with coke bottle.
Or should I say results are a touch different!

Gurus who know and used this system in the past???

WEll?

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS funny I say this because many people believe they have "A" thumb pitch and it is not determined by span. Just like this method but then he seems to adjust finger pitches for span.
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #25 on:** December 25, 2005, 08:34:43 AM »

Preliminary results so far appear real good!

I have a flexible thumb(in relation to the heartline!).

So ignoring span and pitch tables I go 1/8 forward.

However I've tried that before and always sort of hung up in the ball.
So following the Bunetta stuff above I added 1/8 reverse(already have powerlift inserts.) Well all of a sudden my hand looks good on the ball. Not all cramped up like it has since I've shortened my span. Less space under palm!

In addition over the years I've been measured to have ring a little longer and middle a little longer...so on the middle finger longer I add reverse just to the middle finger. (I had always noticed I got a ton of hit on the middle finger if I went wide with 0 forward reverse).

Well just as advertised by Bunneta...in equal span ball which is a 4 19/32 span(4 5/8 basically). I all of a sudden had the thumb release time I wanted.
I also had a 1/8 forward thumb pitch ball with 0 F/R on fingers. Well the fingers gave quite a jolt and pulled thumb out before I wanted it seemed. The combination of more forward and a touch of reverse was sweet!

In addition for the 2nd ball tested...a ball with the middle finger longer than ring and reverse added to that I was impressed with the more equal feeling between different length spans.

I almost in the balls above are getting the similar feel that I had when I had a very stretched span without the thumb damage or shoulder pain.

More testing and results coming.

Upcoming longer ring finger span with reverse added!
(note I really probably need a virtually even span).

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS ...I must conclude from several others ballreviewers and friends...I'm not convinced this is completely a comprehensive system!
ie Have a friend similar to Iron horse above. He has a VERY stiff thumb in relation to the heartline! He would test 1/2 reverse. He also has short stubby fingers and claims he is under 4 inches in span! He went to 1/8 forward yesterday and shot 767! LAst week he was 0 reverse and was bouncing a couple and could only manage 764! (sort of joking there but true). The point being he is a fantastic bowler with a very short span and a very stiff thumb. So this system does not seem to relate to him!
PPS so what is intriguing me is how the slight finger reverse coordinated with more forward is allowing me to stay in ball better and longer than with same forward in thumb and maybe too much forward in fingers(pulling thumb out?)
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onlybowling · « **Reply #26 on:** October 30, 2007, 11:41:40 AM »

-Reading through the older posts - I see that I have arrived at the fit described by Bunetta - after experimenting with perhaps 75 different drills.

Great post.
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pjr300 · « **Reply #27 on:** November 17, 2007, 02:19:35 PM »

P.S. Bill is alive and well living in CA. I have bowled on teams with his nephew back here in the D for years.
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