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Effect of p1 x-hole?
« on: September 28, 2017, 11:35:42 AM »
 Been told recently to learn to use resin or continue to give up pins.  Thing is, the reason I don't really like resin is because of its unpredictably strong reaction off the dry boards.

 Would a p1 hole make it easier to read, or just a weaker overall reaction?
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Re: Effect of p1 x-hole?
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2017, 11:54:48 AM »
This article should help clarify balance hole use, and answer your question.

http://news.stormbowling.com/2017/04/21/balance-holes/
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Re: Effect of p1 x-hole?
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2017, 12:23:06 PM »
Quote from: Luke Morningwood on September 28, 2017, 11:54:48 AM
This article should help clarify balance hole use, and answer your question.

http://news.stormbowling.com/2017/04/21/balance-holes/

 Guess they're working on the site. Nothing comes up but a blank page. Everything else worked though.
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Re: Effect of p1 x-hole?
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2017, 12:44:19 PM »
Their site has been ungodly slow lately to load.  If you open a new tab in your browser and load the link, it will come up in a minute or two.  Just SOOOO SLOW.
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Re: Effect of p1 x-hole?
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2017, 12:45:01 PM »
Buy a Columbia Scout.  Resin cover with no core. Very smooth ball reaction.

Option two try a mid performance ball with a sanded cover and use a 2" pin to pap layout. Helps smooth out the reaction to friction. More arc, less skid snap.
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Re: Effect of p1 x-hole?
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2017, 01:53:14 PM »
How much surface do you use to smooth out ball reaction?
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Re: Effect of p1 x-hole?
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2017, 02:26:00 PM »
Quote from: Impending Doom on September 28, 2017, 01:53:14 PM
How much surface do you use to smooth out ball reaction?

 Usually 1500 to 2000, but right now I've got an old A.M.F. Hype reactive with a 2 1/2 pin to pap with a green scotchbrite surface on it (which I've been told is around 600 grit).

 The Hype is an unusual case, as I tried it just to see what a true matte finish would do on a weaker shelled ball. Not too bad, but it laneshines pretty quick, and starts to change reaction pretty quickly as well.

 Reads the lane good for about a game, then starts to get squirty.

 
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Re: Effect of p1 x-hole?
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2017, 02:37:19 PM »
If you like the Hype with that pin, try a Boost Solid with a 1 inch pin.
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Re: Effect of p1 x-hole?
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2017, 02:49:34 PM »
Quote from: Impending Doom on September 28, 2017, 02:37:19 PM
If you like the Hype with that pin, try a Boost Solid with a 1 inch pin.

 Yea, I've looked at the Boost, simply because it is close to the same shell strength ( f45 vs s43), and thought it might be a decent option.

 I've had resins in the past with a less than 2 1/2 pin to pap that left a bad taste. If I went with the 2 1/2 in p to p on a Boost, could I then use a flare reducing hole to tame it more, IF it needed it?
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Re: Effect of p1 x-hole?
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2017, 02:50:45 PM »
Quote from: Juggernaut on September 28, 2017, 02:26:00 PM
Quote from: Impending Doom on September 28, 2017, 01:53:14 PM
How much surface do you use to smooth out ball reaction?

 Usually 1500 to 2000, but right now I've got an old A.M.F. Hype reactive with a 2 1/2 pin to pap with a green scotchbrite surface on it (which I've been told is around 600 grit).

FYI It's 600 grit CAMI grade. Most abrasive today use FEPA grading system, that Abralon uses. SO in today's terms it's 1200 grit. All Scotch-Brite pads grit levels are in the CAMI grading system.

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The Hype is an unusual case, as I tried it just to see what a true matte finish would do on a weaker shelled ball. Not too bad, but it laneshines pretty quick, and starts to change reaction pretty quickly as well.

 Reads the lane good for about a game, then starts to get squirty.

 

Going from a shine (around 5000 grit) down to 1500/2000 grit dull is a large decrease in order to make the ball not be too flippy. The first step to reduce/control the backend is usually 4000 grit, then maybe 2500/3000 grit. You basically had to go 3 full steps down. I knew the HYpe perl had a strong backend; I just didn't think it was that strong.
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Re: Effect of p1 x-hole?
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2017, 03:24:03 PM »
Quote from: charlest on September 28, 2017, 02:50:45 PM

Going from a shine (around 5000 grit) down to 1500/2000 grit dull is a large decrease in order to make the ball not be too flippy. The first step to reduce/control the backend is usually 4000 grit, then maybe 2500/3000 grit. You basically had to go 3 full steps down. I knew the HYpe perl had a strong backend; I just didn't think it was that strong.

 I understand what you are saying, and it probably applies to most cases, but even at the green scotchbrite  finish, the ball has pretty strong move at the breakpoint.

 I do NOT have monster revs, and while I'm not throwing bullets down there, my ball speed is around 15mph on the monitor. Last time it was checked, my pap was 4 1/8> 1/2^, so that's not crazy either.
 Nobody I've ever been around has ever been able to tell me why balls do for me what they do, but many have scratched their heads and told me they didn't understand it either.

 
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Re: Effect of p1 x-hole?
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2017, 03:43:59 PM »
Quote from: Juggernaut on September 28, 2017, 02:49:34 PM
Quote from: Impending Doom on September 28, 2017, 02:37:19 PM
If you like the Hype with that pin, try a Boost Solid with a 1 inch pin.

 Yea, I've looked at the Boost, simply because it is close to the same shell strength ( f45 vs s43), and thought it might be a decent option.

 I've had resins in the past with a less than 2 1/2 pin to pap that left a bad taste. If I went with the 2 1/2 in p to p on a Boost, could I then use a flare reducing hole to tame it more, IF it needed it?

Sure. I guess I'm trying to give you the smoothest reaction I could think of.
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Re: Effect of p1 x-hole?
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2017, 03:46:32 PM »
Quote from: Juggernaut on September 28, 2017, 03:24:03 PM
Quote from: charlest on September 28, 2017, 02:50:45 PM

Going from a shine (around 5000 grit) down to 1500/2000 grit dull is a large decrease in order to make the ball not be too flippy. The first step to reduce/control the backend is usually 4000 grit, then maybe 2500/3000 grit. You basically had to go 3 full steps down. I knew the HYpe perl had a strong backend; I just didn't think it was that strong.

 I understand what you are saying, and it probably applies to most cases, but even at the green scotchbrite  finish, the ball has pretty strong move at the breakpoint.

 I do NOT have monster revs, and while I'm not throwing bullets down there, my ball speed is around 15mph on the monitor. Last time it was checked, my pap was 4 1/8> 1/2^, so that's not crazy either.
 Nobody I've ever been around has ever been able to tell me why balls do for me what they do, but many have scratched their heads and told me they didn't understand it either.

 
Your speed is not that slow; some balls you drill with low pin-PAP distances, like 2.5" which softens/smooths out most over reactions.

Is your rev rate really high, like 450+ ? That would account for the excessive backends.

If not, All I can suggest is to use balls whose design indicates a very smooth backend, even if the stock surface is polish. Of course most dulls ball do that; so that's not a gauge you should be looking for. Some solids, like the Motiv Graffiti are flippy; so it's not right for you to look at just solids.
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Re: Effect of p1 x-hole?
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2017, 06:23:33 PM »
If you kill the resin ball enough so that it reacts like the urethane ball you might as well just use the urethane ball. 

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Re: Effect of p1 x-hole?
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2017, 08:36:36 PM »
and what layouts do you use? I don't think that's been disclosed yet? I like pin down layouts on strong polished covers for short patterns. also work up the back of the ball on release. and when the lanes break down a Global X polished works good.
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