Author Topic: Effect of p1 x-hole? (Read 8686 times)

Juggernaut · « **on:** September 28, 2017, 11:35:42 AM »

Been told recently to learn to use resin or continue to give up pins. Thing is, the reason I don't really like resin is because of its unpredictably strong reaction off the dry boards.

Would a p1 hole make it easier to read, or just a weaker overall reaction?

Juggernaut · « **Reply #16 on:** September 28, 2017, 09:29:04 PM »

Quote from: six pack on September 28, 2017, 08:36:36 PM

and what layouts do you use? I don't think that's been disclosed yet? I like pin down layouts on strong polished covers for short patterns. also work up the back of the ball on release. and when the lanes break down a Global X polished works good.

I'll use anything if I think it will work. Pin up, pin down, short pin to pap, long pin to pap, pin in balls, pin out balls, x-outs with 5 1/2 inch pin outs. Polished stuff, sanded stuff, at all manner of grit. Over the years, I've drilled lots of balls, lots of different ways. Some I have liked, some I have hated, but only one have I loved, but was never able to reproduce it, even with an identical model ball.

Quote from: itsallaboutme on September 28, 2017, 06:23:33 PM

If you kill the resin ball enough so that it reacts like the urethane ball you might as well just use the urethane ball.

If everyone else can use a modern ball and you can't it ain't the ball.

Yes, I know that, or at least had that same train of thought. That's why I really wish I knew what is going on.
One old man, years ago, told me that my ball acted funny because "It's rolling right out of your hand, no wonder it hooks so much". I didn't know jack about the phases of ball motion back then (evidently still don't), so never pursued it.
Is it even possible for a ball to do that? To skip the normal skid phase and go right into the hook phase?

ignitebowling · « **Reply #17 on:** September 28, 2017, 09:53:59 PM »

Post videos of said issues

itsallaboutme · « **Reply #18 on:** September 28, 2017, 10:00:11 PM »

No, it's not doing that.

Post a video. We won't laugh....much. Send me a message with a link if you don't want to post it.

Did ya try a Robby's yet?

Juggernaut · « **Reply #19 on:** September 29, 2017, 01:07:48 PM »

These are at different times, and are pretty grainy, but are all I've got. Throwing a 16 year old, oil soaked, lane shined V2 the last five, and an A.M.F. Code the first one.

Oh yea, not in order either.

AlonzoHarris · « **Reply #20 on:** September 29, 2017, 01:47:15 PM »

Didn't need to watch all the videos to see what could be done. Stop putting so much rotation on the ball. Come up the back more and you'll get that smoother Chris Barnes ball reaction. High rotation is making the equipment left turn on the end of the pattern.

Juggernaut · « **Reply #21 on:** September 29, 2017, 01:59:48 PM »

Quote from: AlonzoHarris on September 29, 2017, 01:47:15 PM

Didn't need to watch all the videos to see what could be done. Stop putting so much rotation on the ball. Come up the back more and you'll get that smoother Chris Barnes ball reaction. High rotation is making the equipment left turn on the end of the pattern.

See, to me, I already HAVE taken rotation off in the vids. I used to get a lot more revs, and got around/through the ball harder before making some changes.

I've already untucked my pinkie and brought my index finger in as well in an attempt to stay behind the ball better.

Somebody once suggested I drill a ball with a conventional grip. Does anybody think that would be beneficial in this case?

AlonzoHarris · « **Reply #22 on:** September 29, 2017, 02:40:42 PM »

Quote from: Juggernaut on September 29, 2017, 01:59:48 PM

Quote from: AlonzoHarris on September 29, 2017, 01:47:15 PM
Didn't need to watch all the videos to see what could be done. Stop putting so much rotation on the ball. Come up the back more and you'll get that smoother Chris Barnes ball reaction. High rotation is making the equipment left turn on the end of the pattern.

See, to me, I already HAVE taken rotation off in the vids. I used to get a lot more revs, and got around/through the ball harder before making some changes.

I've already untucked my pinkie and brought my index finger in as well in an attempt to stay behind the ball better.

Somebody once suggested I drill a ball with a conventional grip. Does anybody think that would be beneficial in this case?

I feel like that's a drastic change to only try if you can spare a ball to try it on. Do you only bowl in one center?

Juggernaut · « **Reply #23 on:** September 29, 2017, 02:59:09 PM »

Quote from: AlonzoHarris on September 29, 2017, 02:40:42 PM

I feel like that's a drastic change to only try if you can spare a ball to try it on. Do you only bowl in one center?

As many balls as I've "screwed up" in my day, what one more? I've still got a couple of NIB in the closet, and the center I bowl at has a rack full of plugged, ready to drill decent stuff, so I've got plenty of options.

And yes, I only bowl in one center right now. My job days and hours changed. I work Sun. thru Thurs. nights, and I live in semi rural N.E. Tx, so my opportunity to bowl is limited. I drive 75 miles one way on Saturday evenings to bowl in the only Saturday evening adult league I could find.

AlonzoHarris · « **Reply #24 on:** September 29, 2017, 03:09:00 PM »

Quote from: Juggernaut on September 29, 2017, 02:59:09 PM

Quote from: AlonzoHarris on September 29, 2017, 02:40:42 PM

I feel like that's a drastic change to only try if you can spare a ball to try it on. Do you only bowl in one center?

As many balls as I've "screwed up" in my day, what one more? I've still got a couple of NIB in the closet, and the center I bowl at has a rack full of plugged, ready to drill decent stuff, so I've got plenty of options.

And yes, I only bowl in one center right now. My job days and hours changed. I work Sun. thru Thurs. nights, and I live in semi rural N.E. Tx, so my opportunity to bowl is limited. I drive 75 miles one way on Saturday evenings to bowl in the only Saturday evening adult league I could find.

One reason I ask if you only bowl one center, is changing something drastic like that to your game for one center might not be worth it. But I see what you're saying overall about where else you going to bowl anyways.

Juggernaut · « **Reply #25 on:** September 29, 2017, 03:32:15 PM »

In the end, all I am really looking for is a consistent, readable for me, ball reaction. I've only ever found one reactive ball that gave me that week in and week out, but as we all know, reactives don't last forever, and it "passed away" several years ago.

Yes, I believe my release is too strong, but I just cannot master a "weaker" release. I have my moments, but generally I throw 3-4-5 good shots, then I either get comfortable and "rip" one, or I over compensate and "dump" one off with nothing on it, and wash out.

And yes, I was trying to find something that would let me stay within my natural release and get the reaction I wanted, but the more I look, the more it sounds like I am what needs changing, not the equipment.

I may not be nearly as up on tech stuff as I once was, but I'm no fool either. I know enough to know that if I am not using resin, I am not maximizing my game.

Jesper Svenson uses urethane pretty much exclusively, but I don't pretend to be anywhere near him, yet I seem to have exceptional results with urethane that other people just don't seem to get unless they are using resin.

six pack · « **Reply #26 on:** September 30, 2017, 07:58:42 AM »

the suggestions I'm going to make probably wont go over to well but I'll throw it out there. pick up one of those metal braces like the robbys revs and adjust it to roll a back up ball. in your stance hold the ball with your hand up the back and behind the ball with the weight of the ball on your pointing finger and your thumb and drive through the back of the ball with finger pressure on your ring finger and not your middle finger.
another option would be to try the sarge easter grip.

I would consider the first option to learn different releases. it's nice to come around it when you want to but it's not something you want all the time.

itsallaboutme · « **Reply #27 on:** September 30, 2017, 08:17:42 AM »

It's not the ball, it's not your grip. You turn the ball early and hit up on it. Both are bad for ball reaction. Together, as you have already proven to yourself, they are terrible.

Juggernaut · « **Reply #28 on:** September 30, 2017, 08:34:44 AM »

Quote from: itsallaboutme on September 30, 2017, 08:17:42 AM

It's not the ball, it's not your grip. You turn the ball early and hit up on it. Both are bad for ball reaction. Together, as you have already proven to yourself, they are terrible.

Yes. Hitting up on it was how I made/make urethane finish through the pins. Good for urethane, bad for resin. Just donâ€™t really know how to stop because it has become so natural feeling. It just doesnâ€™t feel right not to throw it like that.

Didnâ€™t always turn it quite so early, but shattered my elbow back in 2011, and the repair surgery left me with pins, plates, and screws in there that donâ€™t let me totally straighten out my arm. I guess my body compensated for the different angle by creating an even earlier turn to relieve some pressure.

Gonna go today and check on the Robby you recommended. If they donâ€™t have it, Iâ€™ll have to order it.

Thanks for all the help and positive replies. I really would like to fully move into the modern era of bowling. Kind of tired of being the guy who is â€œ wrecking the shot with urethaneâ€ for everyone else.

itsallaboutme · « **Reply #29 on:** September 30, 2017, 08:45:04 AM »

More than anything, a Robby's will allow you to "feel" your hand. Don't fight the more neutral position and try to feel the ball rolling off your hand and not grabbing the finger holes. Accept the ball will hook less and be open to the visual of a different ball motion.

six pack · « **Reply #30 on:** September 30, 2017, 08:46:09 AM »

I have 3 different releases and can usually bowl decent on just about any condition. then you have to find out what balls and layouts work best with your different releases.
I used to like asym core balls because I could tune the reaction somewhat with layouts but discovered it limited me learning different releases to adjust and I got tired of dragging so many balls with me to the same house with the same shot. the max I bring to either league I bowl in is 3 balls and one is a urethane for spares and the dirt if I need.
my point is I used to be like you and struggled on the dry and constantly tried different balls and layouts and found out I was just wasting time and money and getting frustrated. sound familiar? it didn't take me long to figure things out once I made the commitment to make changes and bowling better then I have in years.

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