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Doug Sterner

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Snappy Rico?????
« on: March 09, 2008, 10:59:40 AM »
I was in a mood to drill a ball yesterday so I decided to try this Rico drilling that everyone seems to be raving about. Now what ball to use?

Well I was looking over the balls I had sitting here fully plugged and decided to use a well used (2x drilled and plugged but no plug in the current track area) Doom I had sitting here.

The Rico layout places the pin in the middle of the grip with the cg at 45* and the weighthole placed at 6-3/4" from pin thru cg correct???

Drilling provides predictability and smooth reaction...yes???

Well I am here to tell you all that this ball corners harder than anything in my bag. I mean it is ridiculously snappy.

Is it clean up front? yes
Is it VERY smooth in the midlane? yes

But that's where the smoothness and evenness end....when it turns the corner it TURNS THE CORNER!!! I tried it on a fresh pair of lanes as well as one with some bowling on them.

Did I do something wrong? Again I am new to this whole Rico thing....

Help?

On Edit: Ending weights for teh ball:
14-13 gross
3/16 finger
1/2 side
0 top/bottom


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Re: Snappy Rico?????
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2008, 07:04:20 PM »
So Ric since the Doom is pretty snappy by nature then it'll stay that way?

Would scuffing the coverstock with a 2000 Abralon pad help even it out?

What would be the most effective type of bowling ball to try out for a guy with 350 RPM and around 16 MPH speed...minimal tilt and about 40* of axis rotation bowling on a heavier house shot?

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Re: Snappy Rico?????
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2008, 07:05:31 PM »
How about all that plug, Rico? Does that have some effect on the reaction...cause I for one have a Rico'd Blast Zone and all that thing want to do is roll.
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Re: Snappy Rico?????
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2008, 07:05:55 PM »
That's kind of what mine does. Smooth up front and in the mids, but when it turns for home it does so in a fashion that is almost frightening. It barely looks legal.

Visually, I'm watching my ball (Thunderstruck solid) roll right through the 8-pin, solidly, on 75% or more of my strikes. I'm righty, so the ball should in theory take out the 1-3-5-9 and the pins get the rest. Not this ball. It's taking out the 1-3-5-8 and when the 9 goes down it does so because the ball has already crossed over to the left side of the 5.

What's your PAP? Mine is 4 over 3/8 up and I'm told that may have something to do with it, as the pin in grip center is just 4 inches away from my PAP, therefore I'm in some kind of magic zone for leverage.

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Re: Snappy Rico?????
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2008, 07:06:53 PM »
quote:
How about all that plug, Rico? Does that have some effect on the reaction...cause I for one have a Rico'd Blast Zone and all that thing want to do is roll.


My ball is twice plugged, too, and I'm getting a reaction similar to what Doug is talking about.

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Doug Sterner

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Re: Snappy Rico?????
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2008, 07:07:21 PM »
My axis specs are 5-1/4 right and 1/2 up.
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Re: Snappy Rico?????
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2008, 07:15:21 PM »
quote:
Doom-skid flip characteristic
Blast Zone-strong smooth lower RG characteristic.

Bowling ball type dictates overall reaction shape.
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So ball plug has little to no effect on the bowling ball...
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Re: Snappy Rico?????
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2008, 07:41:56 PM »
Doug, knock the cover off that Doom and it will slow it way down off the friction. My specs are pretty close to yours. Try it at 2000 then go up or down from there depending on the condition you see. I keep mine at 2000 for most stuff I see.

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Re: Snappy Rico?????
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2008, 07:47:43 PM »
Doug first of all sorry to hijack your thread a bit.

I have been wondering how well this lay out would work for a spinner?
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Re: Snappy Rico?????
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2008, 07:49:56 PM »
Doug,

Some thoughts -

I wonder what type of oil pattern you used it on? If it was a short, medium to heavy oil, with very dry backends, a pearl can still be flippy.

If you put a good sized weight hole in that spot, how'd you still wind up with 1/2 oz side weight? Sounds like a lot. The Rico weight hole, as far as I have read, should be 3/4"+ wide and  2.5"+ deep.

Also the 45 degree angle is PAP to pin to CG/MB.

I just tried my first Rico, on a Zone Classic. While it has the Rico traits, it does have a strong but arcing backend, not a flippy backend. It hooks a lot.

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Re: Snappy Rico?????
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2008, 07:58:40 PM »
bluerrpilot....I'll try that and see how it goes

charlest.....
oil pattern...volume in the middle of the lanes is 60 units with a decent wall at 12 (15 units there) and tapers to 5 at the edges. Total length 42 feet to the end of the buff.
weighthole...according to the info downloaded from Brunswick's website the hole should have been 1" x 2.5" which is what I did. The ball had 2 oz side weight and 1-3/8 thumb before I addded the weighthole so the ending specs seem right.
45* angle...again according to the print out I have from Brunswick it says 45* pin to cg on symmetrical balls.

I am going to play with the coverstock first and see what happens before I drill another ball.

Any suggestions on what to try next? I like the reaction and would like to try it on something else.
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Re: Snappy Rico?????
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2008, 09:16:44 PM »
Ric knows much more about this than I do of course, but the question of multi plugged ball does merit consideration. Couldn't that change ball dynamics if the core had several previous holes drilled into it. Couldn't it be put on a determinator to check it out?

I have a C+(particle) drilled Rico & a plugged resin with the same weight block & they have completely different reactions.

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Re: Snappy Rico?????
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2008, 08:50:10 AM »
quote:
Did I do something wrong?


No!
I have a few balls with this layout, and a couple of them are still backend monsters! My Buzzbomb and Creature are pretty smooth. My Complete NV is a little more angular. My Break needs a turn signal!
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Re: Snappy Rico?????
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2008, 08:57:38 AM »
Interesting stuff, not to take this in a different direction but is this
a good drill for playing deep inside ?
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Re: Snappy Rico?????
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2008, 10:06:19 AM »
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Interesting stuff, not to take this in a different direction but is this
a good drill for playing deep inside ?


Not for me. I am able to move inside to some degree, but not "really deep". Even with the most angular of my rico balls (Break or CNV), they do not seem to retain enough energy to get the ten out when playing really deep. Keep in mind, I do not have a ton of hand, but as soon as I went to a pin-up ball, the "gods of carry" returned.
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