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tgs300

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Exactacated thumb mold
« on: October 17, 2008, 05:48:18 AM »
When making a thumb mold, does the resulting insert have the pitches from the original thumbhole or must the pitches be drilled into the ball which will be getting the Exactacated thumb insert?

 

Brickguy221

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Re: Exactacated thumb mold
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2008, 10:41:59 PM »
If you make a thumb mold from a ball and then make an insert from that thumb mold and you want to duplicate that exact same pitches in a different ball, you need to drill the pitches of the different ball 0 and 0.

To sum it up, I started using custom made thumb inserts early this year. My pitches in the ball it was made from was 1/4 reverse and 0 lateral. After being made, the inside of the insert itself measures 1/4 reverse and 0 lateral just like the thumb hole of the ball it was made from, so every ball I have drilled now, the thumb hole pitches are drilled 0 and 0. The insert is then installed and the thumb hole measures 1/4 reverse and 0 lateral when finished.
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Re: Exactacated thumb mold
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2008, 09:53:17 PM »
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The mold will have the pitches in it but in order for it to be right after you install it, you still need to drill the same pitches in the ball which you will be installing it in


No...Absolutely not....you will need to drill the pitches in the ball at 0 & 0.

I know what I am talking about because I am using custom made molds with the pitch in the molds 1/4 reverse and 0 lateral and drilling the thumb in ball 0 & 0 to get the thumb hole pitch to come out 1/4 reverse & 0 lateral. If I were to drill the same pitches in the ball as the pitches in the thumb mold, it would end up with a thumb hole of 1/2 reverse and 0 lateral.
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Re: Exactacated thumb mold
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2008, 10:25:35 PM »
If you center the mold in the cylinder, how could it POSSIBLY be anything other than 0 - 0????

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Re: Exactacated thumb mold
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2008, 10:40:35 PM »
your pitches must hav ebeen drilled into the slug you took the mold from not that actual ball.. that's the only way that can happen. because there is no other way to drill the pitches at 0 0 and come out with somethin other than that.. if that's the case it depends on your driller then.

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The mold will have the pitches in it but in order for it to be right after you install it, you still need to drill the same pitches in the ball which you will be installing it in


No...Absolutely not....you will need to drill the pitches in the ball at 0 & 0.

I know what I am talking about because I am using custom made molds with the pitch in the molds 1/4 reverse and 0 lateral and drilling the thumb in ball 0 & 0 to get the thumb hole pitch to come out 1/4 reverse & 0 lateral. If I were to drill the same pitches in the ball as the pitches in the thumb mold, it would end up with a thumb hole of 1/2 reverse and 0 lateral.
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Re: Exactacated thumb mold
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2008, 01:37:10 AM »
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If you center the mold in the cylinder, how could it POSSIBLY be anything other than 0 - 0????


Exactly!!!!!.....The same statement coming from Nick proves what I have been saying. Thanks for chiming in Nick.
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Re: Exactacated thumb mold
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2008, 01:45:51 AM »
No, I wasn't agreeing with you. I'm saying if the mold is dead center in the cylinder, then it is 0-0. You still have to drill for your pitches on the press.
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Re: Exactacated thumb mold
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2008, 02:19:10 AM »
Ok, I see where you are coming from Nick. Apparently everyone doesn't make the inserts the same. When you talk about the mold being centered and I talk about the mold being centered, it appears we are talking about two different statements when we say the mold is centered.

It appears you must center the mold in the cylinder so that it is equal distance from the mold to the edge of the cylinder no matter where you measure it. In that case, yes the hole in the ball would be drilled to what the thumb pitch is supposed to be.

When Anne Marie Duggan makes my inserts, she simply inserts the mold into the cylinder as it came out of the ball so where the tip of the thumb is, isn't going to be in the center unless the pitches to begin with are 0-0. The tip of the thumb is going to be slanted to one side of the cylinder. It appears that the way you make your mold and the way she makes hers is different. When she inserts the mold in the cylinder, pours it, removes the mold, taps the insert from they cylinder and insert a pitch guage into the insert, it is the exact same as the thumb hole pitches in the ball, thus the hole in the ball is then drilled 0-0.
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Re: Exactacated thumb mold
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2008, 02:23:16 AM »
Please excuse my MSPAINT

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Re: Exactacated thumb mold
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2008, 02:28:04 AM »
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Please excuse my MSPAINT

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Those kinda look like little red block weiners.  Is it hot in here or is it just me?

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Re: Exactacated thumb mold
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2008, 02:37:41 AM »
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Please excuse my MSPAINT

www.brunsnick.com/molds.jpg

 


ROTFLMAO.....The feeling is mutual Nick.

Your illistration on the right is how my mold looks in the cylinder. Comes out with the pitches perfect every time.
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Re: Exactacated thumb mold
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2008, 02:52:45 AM »
The only problem with that method, is that if you have someone with 1/2" reverse or 11/16" like I had today, then there's no way that works.
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Re: Exactacated thumb mold
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2008, 03:05:39 AM »
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The only problem with that method, is that if you have someone with 1/2" reverse or 11/16" like I had today, then there's no way that works.
 


Yeah, I agree if using a cylinder with a 1 1/4" inside diameter. My 1/4 reverse doesn't leave a lot but enough at the tip of the thumb area.

Anne Marie uses a 3/8" inside diameter cylinder for larger reverse pitches, but on a 11/16" reverse like you mention, I doubt that would work and your method for something like that is probably the only way to go.

3:00 AM here. I am going to bed. This is too late for this old man.
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Re: Exactacated thumb mold
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2008, 03:11:57 AM »
Hey man... Fixadent and forget it!
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Re: Exactacated thumb mold
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2008, 06:31:01 PM »
Wow, I'm going to experiment with this tomorrow!!

Not disagreeing with you brickguy but I thought that regardless of how the slug is posistioned in the cylinder that the pitch for that slug would be whatever drill bit size you drilled in to the ball.

For example: If you had 1/4 reverse on the slug you made the mould from then you drilled 1/4 forward in to the ball you were drilling and put your mould in then you would have 1/4 forward on your thumb mould. The way you were explaining it you would come out with zero.

I'll try tomorrow and post results

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