Author Topic: Exotic Layouts? (Read 5852 times)

Strapper_Squared · « **on:** January 17, 2006, 10:27:16 PM »

What is the "most" exotic layout you have ever seen/used on a ball? What type of reaction did you get from it?

Personally it would be have to be the photos of the Ravage of Danny Wiseman that were floating around on this site... basically the pin and mass bias were stacked on his VAL...it was stated that it gave extremely early revs and a heay roll.

If you place the pin below your midline, it causes the ball to reverse flare (basically turning into a full-roller type layout). Also, if yo place the pin BEYOND your VAL, the ball reverse flares and turns into a full-roller layout. If a person was to combine both, placing the pin below the midplane and beyond the VAL, would it go back to flaring regularly? If this was the case, I could envision it being fairly easy to achieve some unique mass bias locations ... i.e. mass bias under the ring finger..lol If it were to roll without clipping fingers/thumb, wonder what type of reaction to expect? Someone had to be bored one day and tried this??? Any ideas?

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DP3 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 18, 2006, 10:43:20 AM »

I remember I had a "Rainbow Storm" which was essential an overseas Forest Fire Storm. It had a 12" pin out so I basically flipped the ball upside down so that it was a -1 1/2 pin. put the C.G in my palm and the "anti pin" under the ring finger. The ball flared about 9 inches. It was back in my YABA days when I was trying to rip the cover off of the ball, but I had no problem ever getting that ball to recover. I'm not how sure how strong an original Forest Fire Storm is/was but it was the most aggressive ball I had for long time.

I have a Blem Nighthawk(Spectra label) NIB with close specs(10" pin out, high top). I might do something with it someday, but I I'm not too sure about flipping an Assymetrical core upside down, might do some funky stuff.
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Strapper_Squared · « **Reply #2 on:** January 18, 2006, 11:47:00 AM »

Interesting... I have a drill sheet somewhere around here with drilling ideas for blems with grater than 7" pins. One of the options (I believe if the top weight is low) was to measure 13.5" from the pin, make a mark and like you said, basically flip the core upside down. Seems reasonable to me.

I had a forest fire back in the days of junior bowling too... I seem to remember it being moderately strong and very heavy rolling.
Wish I still had some of the equipment from my earlier days as a bowler...

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Sawuser · « **Reply #3 on:** January 18, 2006, 05:16:21 PM »

I have a 315 degree, also an upside down weight block slightly different from the 315 on a formula(wild backend), & my most recent is the Girard layout. I love that layout & need to find out more info if anyone knows how I can contact him. I want to know how varying the pin placement from say 6 o'clock to 7 o'clock or more would affect the roll & track. Also, if cg repositioning will change anything as well as coverstocks & different weight blocks. I have this drilling on an old core power LRG polished. I get a very strong hook set reaction & the carry is phenominal.

If anyone knows where I could find additional information on this layout, I would like to hear from you. Thanks!
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BowlerKidR · « **Reply #4 on:** January 18, 2006, 05:44:52 PM »

guy came into the shop last saturday with a Zone Classic green pin and wanted teh fingers pluged and redrilled for him. The drilling was mad weird. PSA above and between the fingers, and the CG stacked below that, and the Pin directly aboce the thumb hole. Not sure what this drilling is supposed to do but this ball turned the corner HARD, looked like it was going to dive through the nose and then it just stoped and set up in the pocket. Weird drillin.g
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Sawuser · « **Reply #5 on:** January 18, 2006, 05:59:19 PM »

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i have an Aysmm with the pin 2" under my thumb and the psa in my palm. Also known as the Girard layout.

Saw, contact Rick Benoit, since hes the one who most likely put Pat in the drilling.
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Thanks, I didn't know that! I know Benoit is brunswick, but do you know how I can contact him?

Sorry, Strapper, not trying to hijack your post!
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chitown · « **Reply #6 on:** January 19, 2006, 12:31:20 AM »

Tracks desert heat and heat blast have cores flipped upside down. The desert heat has the heat core but upside down and the heat blast has the same core as the blue heat but upside down. I just thought that was strange to do that with the core.

Ragnar · « **Reply #7 on:** January 19, 2006, 03:02:25 PM »

Strapper, I once had an original R2 with pin by thumb and cg above it. It did not roll like a full roller, but still like a 3/4. Was terriffic for either very tight inside or swinging the ditch. Wish I'd never given it away.

Strangest normally drilled ball I ever had was a Forest Fire Storm. Layout was pin by ring, cg out. At about 48 feet the thumb hole became the PAP. Hit like mud.
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DP3 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 19, 2006, 03:57:50 PM »

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Strangest normally drilled ball I ever had was a Forest Fire Storm. Layout was pin by ring, cg out. At about 48 feet the thumb hole became the PAP. Hit like mud.

That's usually because with really high flaring balls, the ball's PSA will migrate onto the biggest hole once it flares out.
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tjj300 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 19, 2006, 09:27:30 PM »

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Tracks desert heat and heat blast have cores flipped upside down. The desert heat has the heat core but upside down and the heat blast has the same core as the blue heat but upside down. I just thought that was strange to do that with the core.

Manufacturers used to do this all the time. If I remember correctly, the core in the Forest FireStorm was the core from the FireStorm, flipped.

Strapper_Squared · « **Reply #10 on:** January 20, 2006, 09:17:30 AM »

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My most recent is the Girard layout. I love that layout & need to find out more info if anyone knows how I can contact him. I want to know how varying the pin placement from say 6 o'clock to 7 o'clock or more would affect the roll & track.

With that layout, the flare potential is dependant on the pin to negative axis point distance... so generally speaking (of course depending on the NAP), a 7 o'clock layout should be a higher flare version of the 6 o'clock layout. With that being said, there is a "critical" distance the pin needs to be below the thumb hole in order for the bowtie to be located low enough to flare under the thumb. I have heard that the line between the pin and your PAP must be 1.5" below your thumb hole. With the pin approaching the 7 o'clock position, its tough to achieve that distance AND keep static weights in check.... usually the fingers can be drilled extra shallow and the thumb extra deep... I've never layed one out that would require a weight hole (although I would assume it could be located near the bowtie in the negative thumb quadrant.

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Also, if cg repositioning will change anything as well as coverstocks & different weight blocks. I have this drilling on an old core power LRG polished. I get a very strong hook set reaction & the carry is phenomenal.

If anyone knows where I could find additional information on this layout, I would like to hear from you. Thanks!

Not too sure about the cg positioning... with regards to reaction, I would venture to say very minor, if any noticable differences... therefore the position would only be important in regards to static weights... this could come into play with asymmetrical equipment as it would be moving the mass bias which should (although I'm not sure the difference) effect reaction.

I've tried this layout in several different balls. For me, stronger equipment seemed to work the best. I had my best luck with it in a Goliath.. The ball had super mid-lane and a mild arcing backend.. carry was great. On the other hand, I tried this layout in a mild particle pearl ball (overseas columbia), and really didn't care for the reaction... It seemed to be very over/under... on fresh shots where the stronger equipment would react in the mid-lane, this ball would skate... once it hit the backends it would flip... hard. On drier conditions, the ball would overreact in the midlane and not hit. A lower rg core probably would have helped smooth this reaction out some, but I think the biggest difference was the cover.

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Sawuser · « **Reply #11 on:** January 20, 2006, 10:15:10 AM »

Strapper, Thanks for that info. The ball I have this on is a particle LRG, the CG is in the palm center so no static weight problems. The pin is actually at about 7 o'clock & I have 1 1/4" clearance between the thumb & line drawn to pap. When dull, the ball was just a roller so I polished it. Then it became skid/flip like you described, so I hit it lightly with the grey pad just to take the sheen off. I now have a ball that goes long, then explodes into a hockey stick left turn but its hook stop with area. The ball just seems to migrate to the pocket while accelerating & the carry is phenominal. Anxious to try some variation, but can't afford too many experiments.
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