thank you for the response.
he wants decent length, but his main concern is the backend reaction.
his pap is around 5 1/4. can't remember exactly off the top of my head.
when you say 2.x", are you referring to the distance of pin above the fingers? or the pin buffer? just want to make sure i am understanding you correctly.
thinking i will go with maybe 4 1/2 x 3, with pin up. figure i would kinda split the two layouts you normally use and i can always alter surface if i need a little more length. he will have to realize that he will need head oil for this layout and not nail the dry too early.