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General Category => Drilling & Layouts => Topic started by: Jay on March 11, 2010, 04:28:18 PM
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Drillers, do you drill 0 or forward pitch in any customers' fingers? Bowlers, do you use 0 or forward pitch in your fingers? Share your experiences.
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Justin
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The only time I drill forward or 0 for customers is usually a young child or an arthritic senior. Other than that i've occasionally seen 0 on a fingertip ball when the customer has very flexible fingertips
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^^^^ Agree with future! Never forward, rarely 0, often between 1/4" and as much as 7/8" reverse. It all depends on the person's flexibility of mainly the first joint. Also, the span figures in. If short,can get away with less reverse,if stretched, will need more.
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the pooh
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3 for 3. I use -0- only on very flexible kids, young adults using oval inserts or no inserts. If they use "tips", they get 3/16 rev PLUS their personal finger pitch numbers.
Probably the most common problem I see with customers bowling balls.
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Proshop Operator
North Bowl Bowling Center
www.northbowlspokane.com
ctwings10--"Here's the problem with any retail service - You can't fix stupid."
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im just a part time guy but have been really trying to persuade people from using forward pitch in fingers. some people refuse and still want to use the 1/4" lifts. i may not be explaining it too well to them. i tell them the main reasons are so they can come around the ball better and not have the ball kind of flip off their hand, because their fingers are staying in there a little too long. so it gives them a more fluid and consistent release.
also tell them it will cause less stress on hand/wrist, etc, because it is not staying on their hand as long.
what do you guys think? if im not explaining it correctly, can you guys give a more definitive response so that I can show people? I know you guys have more knowledge than i do, which is why i am always on here trying to learn and understand measuring, drilling, layouts, and anything else about the game.
Thanks in advance!!
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You can also explain to them that the angle of the last joint of their finger should match the angle of the finger hole. We want the pressure to be evenly distributed on the whole flat of the finger, not on the joint itself. This promotes both comfort(you can bowl more games with no pain or problems) and a cleaner, more consistent release( higher scores). If they like the feel of the power lifts, you can still use them. Just add 1/4" reverse to what they should have had.
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the pooh
Edited on 3/12/2010 11:42 AM
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thanks pooh
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I have used forward for quite a number of bowlers, but these are advanced fitting tecniques, and are generally used for advanced bowlers. There are even a few bowlers on tour using forward, Tom Baker being one of the more notable. He has added 3/8 reverse to his middle, and 3/8 forward to his ring, with minor span adjustments to each to help in altering his roll. This was fitted for him by Mo Pinel, it is called "clawing". These adjustments were done from a well fitted base grip.
Rich Huzina
Brunswick Pro shop Staff
IBPSIA Advanced Tech
USBC Silver Coach
The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of the Brunswick corporation
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Well, it just so happens I got the idea for this question from Mo's Fitting Guide: http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/images/c/cb/ThumbAngleInstructions.pdf
I did find it hard to believe anyone could use forward in the fingers but I know some people do it. I have 1/4 reverse in my fingers.
After looking at that guide I thought I should have more forward in my fingers and more reverse in the thumb, hoping that would help my hand lock up in the ball. Unless I squeeze or use hand conditioner/rosin(that comes in the pack, the little bags from Brunswick/Ebonite) the ball will slip from my thumb in the backswing. No adjustment to the thumb will fix this so I kinda hoped the finger pitch was the key.
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Justin
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Strike Domination -- Contour makes a thumb sleeve that has what they call a "power bump" near the top of the sleeve. I normally don't recommend these, but one might just help you. If you don't like the feel of the vinyl sleeve, size it large enough to use tape in the front and either tape or a Magic Carpet in the back and very little of your thumb will be in contact with the vinyl. -- JohnP
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I''m unfamiliar with that product and what it looks like. What is the purpose of it and where on your thumb is that "bump" in contact with?
And now that you mention it, I sampled Magic Carpet almost two years ago I believe, and that''s possibly the only product I''ve used that has allowed me to not squeeze really. I kind of wish I could sample it again just to see, maybe I can ask a friend to ask for some.
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Justin
Edited on 3/13/2010 2:11 AM
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See the link below for pictures of the sleeve, the bump boes in the front side of the hole, located so it's where your thumb contacts the grip (where you would put a piece of tape). It gives your thumb something to "hook onto". See if your pro shop stocks these, the size required will be larger than a sleeve or hole without the bump. I don't know if Ron would give you another sample or not. He sells them in bundles of 10 for $2.00 each. You could probably sell them to other bowlers for $3 - $5 each if your pro shop doesn't carry them. Or send me a PM and I'll give you a price for however many you want mailed to you. -- JohnP
http://www.buddiesproshop.com/product/2341/Contour_Power_Grips_Semi_Bump.htm
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Ah, I found that but I assumed it was a finger grip. Also, the depth didn't seem enough for the thumb. If I'm mistaken, the bump seems to go in contact with the "neck" of your thumb. Between the actual pad and the bevel.
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Justin
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That's right. -- JohnP
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Magic Carpet can be found at Bowl4fun.com, this "velco" like tape is the best thing I've ever used, I even used one piece on the front, the thumb hole has to be a little bigger, but if your thumb swells and goes down alot, it's the best thing instead of putting in or taking tape out.