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Crash13

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Driller's Been Using Wong PAP -- What's Affect Has it Had?
« on: April 11, 2007, 08:46:38 AM »
I've always bought directly from my pro shop operator just told him what I wanted from that ball/coverstock combination -- and trusted him to come up with the proper drilling.  He's been doing my balls for about 25 years.  Lately (the last 5-6 balls he's drilled) I always thought the balls were going longer than I thought they should for the equipment and drillings being used.

Bought a ball recently off the internet and asked my guy for my measurements so the seller could punch out my ball.  The card he handed me was for the last ball he had drilled and showed a PAP of 2" over and 1/2" up.  I knew for sure that was wrong, I'd always been 4" x 1/2" up.  We went though my cards and he accidentally changed it about 6 balls ago.  Brain cramp or something.

So my question is...how has assuming the wrong PAP, regardless of the drilling used, affected the balls he's done?  FYI, I'm bowling fine with them.  Have simply had to adjust to what the balls' reaction.

 

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Re: Driller's Been Using Wong PAP -- What's Affect Has it Had?
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2007, 05:16:38 PM »
Best way to get an idea is to map out on each ball the location of your actual PAP, then measure to the pin and MB (or cg).  Then compare the actual to what you asked for.  --  JohnP

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Re: Driller's Been Using Wong PAP -- What's Affect Has it Had?
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2007, 10:31:42 PM »
I'm sorry...I don't understand.  How does that mapping tell me what the effect of an incorrect drilling has been on the reaction of the balls?

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Re: Driller's Been Using Wong PAP -- What's Affect Has it Had?
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2007, 11:55:45 PM »
In reality, 2 over and 1/2 up is vey rare, if your driller drill a new ball for you and look at the info on the drill sheet, that should alert him for sure, my bet is he didn't even look at the info, and just put on some common pin position for you.  Map out your PAP on those ball and measure it as John says, properly going to be fine.  Just my gut feeling.  Good luck.
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Re: Driller's Been Using Wong PAP -- What's Affect Has it Had?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2007, 07:16:05 AM »
The last two balls he drilled were a Prophesy and an Ogre.  The Prophesy has the pin above and slight right of the ring finger and the CG 1" to the right.  The Ogre's pin is 1/2" below the ring finger and the CG ~1/2" to the right.

If I understand what you are saying, if it were a true 2" PAP the first track mark would be, like, 6" from the fingers -- which it isn't, of course.  My track is about 1" from both the finger and thumb holes.

Still trying to figure out why, then, the Ogre, with that drilling, is a skid/snap reaction in OOB condition (600 grit).  It's not breaking unti 45 feet and I asked for a early, arcing drilling.  Can't complain -- threw a 726 with it last night and a 760 Friday.  Still...it's not what I was hoping for.

Thanks for coping with a long-time bowler but layout newbie.

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Re: Driller's Been Using Wong PAP -- What's Affect Has it Had?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2007, 08:11:52 AM »
Crash,
        Sounds like you first need to re verify your PAP with a low flare (preferably spare ) ball, using the tape method. Get this reading and keep it on file yourself. Sounds to me if you are 1 inch from finger and thumb with your track, you are approx 5 1/2 over and 1/2 up. This makes your Ogre about a 41/2 to 5 pin to PAP. Pin under, cg out and OOB finish sounds like a great drill. It will read somewhat later than you expect because of the higher rg at 2.59 and the medium flare potential. Also is just the nature of this beast, same read I get with mine drilled similar. Ball also makes a surprising backend move for a 600 grit cover. The more I think of this...I will bet you or he are mistaking the 2 for a 5.....he may have hand writing that resembles mine sometimes. Have you asked him what it is or just reading the sheet yourself? Really sounds like your balls are drilled fine, esp the Ogre. If you ever want to try an early roll set up, put the pin on or very near your PAP ...the pin will be quite a bit right of ring and down some, the cg will be angled back toward the center of grip(use a 4 to 5 inch pin out spec ball to keep stats in check). This will roll up early and then be very smooth on the back...great for wet dry up the boards. But this layout will not pop on the back and is condition specific, but is probably a look you have not yet seen. Hope this helps clear the confusion, Al

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Re: Driller's Been Using Wong PAP -- What's Affect Has it Had?
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2007, 06:32:21 PM »
I have the card in hand and it's very clearly a 2.  That said, I tend to agree with the general consensus here that he probably took a standard drilling and paid no attention to the card other than looking at my span, hole sizes, and pitches.

I've got an old blue pearl urethane hammer.  I'm pretty sure that's a pancake block.  Perhaps I can use that to reestablish what my true PAP is.

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Re: Driller's Been Using Wong PAP -- What's Affect Has it Had?
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2007, 09:27:02 PM »
Actually, the original Hammers did have a dynamic core, but it was very weak.  You probably won't get more then an inch of flare.  Is the fit close enough to what you're throwing now that it won't affect your release?  --  JohnP

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Re: Driller's Been Using Wong PAP -- What's Affect Has it Had?
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2007, 09:46:56 PM »
The grip is exactly the same.  I had been using this as my spare ball until I (drastically)changed how I throw single pin spares.  I think it'll work.