Post by: Bigmike on March 06, 2009, 02:42:08 AM
Any good reasons for doing this or not doing this?
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Post by: Tom on March 06, 2009, 02:28:20 PM
You usually want to have 3/4†laterals in some combination to keep the finger holes from coming together at the base and weakening the bridge, especially with a standard ¼†bridge. Maybe you could go 1/8†and 5/8â€.
I use 3/8†x 3/8†to get ¾†with a 5/16†bridge. Just to play it safe.
Post by: tenpinspro on March 06, 2009, 06:30:05 PM
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Any good reasons for doing this or not doing this?
Hey Mike,
This truly depends on your personal necessity for this. I've done a few "different" finger laterals for individuals who had arthritis or some form of work injury.
Nothing wrong with different pitches but more importantly is what pitches are comfortable for you. I'd also recommend checking your forward/reverse pitches (as inferno mentions) to help possibly alleviate any discomfort.
(Tom) is also correct in the recommended standard for opposite laterals in the fingers to equal to a minimum of 3/4. I believe Bill Taylor's parallel impression was/is left 7/16 and 7/16 right. Hope this helps some....
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Post by: JohnP on March 06, 2009, 07:56:09 PM
Post by: lefty50 on March 07, 2009, 12:59:14 PM
I'm back at 1/4 - 3/8 reverse now and experimenting with 1/4 unders in some balls on days when the fingers feel good.
All due to cracking my knuckles when I was a teen. damm stupid thing to do, and paying for it big time now.
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Post by: PioneerLefty on March 07, 2009, 01:05:04 PM
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Post by: Mike Austin on March 07, 2009, 02:42:25 PM
Have drilled as much as 1 1/4 reverse for guys fingers, he was about 30 years old and his fingers were this stiff. Makes gluing in grips a little tough, but can be done, and he said he could bowl without pain.
Don't be afraid to try some different things, nothing is wrong if it works.
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Post by: agroves on March 07, 2009, 10:36:42 PM
When you place you fingers in the ball where do you feel pressure? The nail? The side?
Post by: Bigmike on March 08, 2009, 07:27:42 PM
I am paying for letting someone talk me into using 3/8 frwd in both fingers on top of using semi-grips which add another 1/8 frwd. This was in 1992.
What I am thinking about doing is going 5/8 rev and 1/2 rev on my fingers and using 5/8, 1/8 laterals. I am going to lenghten my span 1/16 to 1/8 since I am adding more reverse. I am going to try this as an experiment.
My hand is a mess. I like my grips tight and my fingers swell so much day to day and game to game. I am thinking of also adding vacu-grips in the mix.
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Post by: JohnP on March 08, 2009, 08:25:54 PM
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I use 1/4, 1/4 for the laterals.
You must not drill the holes very deep or they would come together at the bottom. -- JohnP
Post by: Bigmike on March 08, 2009, 08:32:32 PM
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Post by: JohnP on March 08, 2009, 08:44:07 PM
Post by: agroves on March 08, 2009, 10:39:54 PM
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My hand is a mess. I like my grips tight and my fingers swell so much day to day and game to game. I am thinking of also adding vacu-grips in the mix.
Bigmike, if you don't have the vacu rings. You can drill it without them to try.
You already have quite a bit of rev in the fingers. Perhaps that is making you squeeze alittle to hang on?. What is your thumb pitch with that span?
Post by: MuncieBowler on March 08, 2009, 11:07:29 PM
Post by: Bigmike on March 09, 2009, 10:26:06 AM
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My hand is a mess. I like my grips tight and my fingers swell so much day to day and game to game. I am thinking of also adding vacu-grips in the mix.
Bigmike, if you don't have the vacu rings. You can drill it without them to try.
You already have quite a bit of rev in the fingers. Perhaps that is making you squeeze alittle to hang on?. What is your thumb pitch with that span?
1/8 forward 1/16 left. And yes, the bridges occasionally crack.
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Post by: kidlost2000 on March 09, 2009, 12:28:07 PM
My brother had the same problem and tried a lot of different pitches that he found info about online. Both finger and thumb. (from some great sources and still didn't help.)
He dropped from 15 to 14 and the pain went away. He also started throwing the ball a lot better/smoother.(he's 34 y/o)
Maybe something to consider.
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Post by: tenpinspro on March 09, 2009, 03:02:07 PM
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I got a new Epic Quest a few months back and just bowled my local City Tourney and my wrist has been hurting pretty bad. Never had wrist problems before. Not sure what my pitches are in my fingers but a friend of mine changed his pitches to help his wrist and it helped. But we are totally different in our bowling. I am sorta conventional and turn the bowl a little more than the normal person but if anyone knows anything then please just let me know.
Hey Muncie, here are a couple of things to check to see what's different on the new ball which is causing you pain.
1) Double check the span on the Quest. If the span is a little long, it causes us to utilize more tendon/muscle effort to hang on which causes unnecessary strain. My analogy to this is similar to lifting a mattress without handles, even though that weight at one corner isn't very heavy, it's the lack of having a good grip around the object that forces us to use more muscle effort.
2) Compare finger forward/reverse pitches from an old ball (that didn't hurt) to the Quest. Just a slight change forward can cause us to physically hang onto the ball longer which then adds to the pressure on our wrist. Based on your explanation of turning the ball a little more then average, this sounds like it could have an affect on you. As a good precaution, you should also make sure laterals are the same as before as well.
From experience, I found that bowlers who lift fairly strong are more sensitive to forward/reverse pitches due to the lift effort applied. For example, I have a few "true" crankers that have to use 3/8-1/2 reverse in their fingers, anything less and it causes them discomfort in their joints/wrist. Hope this helps some...
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