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Stever5000

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My Gratitude, Dual Angle Layout
« on: March 07, 2010, 05:04:22 PM »
First off, I give many respects to MoRich as the creator of the Dual Angle Layout.  This post would not have been possible without it.  That being said, here's my story..

I started studying the Dual Angle Layout technique for many reasons, but mainly to help my game.  I have never had a bill drilled for my game, never had a PAP measured correctly, never had a ball laid out to match my needs.  Needless to say, none of the pro shops in my area have any drilling techniques beyond the typical pin above bridge, pin below ring finger, and pin next to ring finger layouts.  Well, if you had watched my videos (which are still floating around the forum) you'd notice that typical layouts like these do not work for me.  I measured my PAP today using an Armadillo.  I am 3 1/2" over by 1" up, which means that a standard layout like those mentioned will lay out to be "weak" balls.  All of my life I have battled over/under conditions, trial and error layouts, and poorly laid-out equipment because I did not know any better.  However, tonight I seen the light..

I read over the Dual Angle Layout technique probably 35 times before I decided this is something I'd have to do to step up my game and my knowledge.  I got permission from the pro shop owner to use the pro shop tonight while he bowled league, so I got started right away.  I used the Armadillo to find my PAP, which wasn't too far off from what I was guessing it to be.  After finding my PAP, I carefully followed each and every instruction on the Dual Angle Layout instruction pamphlet I had printed out.  By the way, I have never laid out a bowling ball before; I am guilty of using the basic rules of "if you put the pin here, it'll go longer, but if you but it here, it'll hook earlier."  BUT- paying close attention to the directions and following along with the pictures, I managed to lay out a bowling ball-- MY bowling ball-- drilled for MY game.  I ended up after several practice layouts going with 60x4x60, just to see what it would do.  I get a lane, line up, and go through with my shot like normal.  Immediately I notice the ball clearing the heads VERY nicely, surpassing the midlane with no problem whatsoever, and making a very nice turn toward the pocket.  But the one thing I noticed most, something I have never seen happen from a ball released from my hand.. about 45 foot down the lane, the ball actually shifts completely (just like everyone else's) and starts moving towards the pins.  Never once in my life have I had a ball that actually spun like it was supposed to and shifted like it was supposed to at the backend.  Of course, I am sure this is hard to image.  You're probably thinking to yourself, "Steve, what in the world are you talking about?  How else CAN it look?"  Basically, pretty much every ball I've ever owned or had drilled up for me has had the same generalized look as it was traveling down the lane, which I might add is a very unique look in my opinion.  The best way to describe it would be to picture a ball hooking toward the pins.  The finger holes are physically on the left side of the ball, assuming it's thrown by a right hander.  That's normal, right?  Ok, my typical shot includes the previous scenario, but the oddity is that the ball starts off that way, spins a little bit, then finishes that way again.  Still following me?  No?  Ok, let me try again.  When the ball is released, my finger holes are on the left side of the ball.  As it travels down the lane, the finger holes migrate a little bit away from the left, but as soon as the ball starts to make a move toward the pocket, the finger holes are back to the left.  So basically what it looks like is if the ball never makes any kind of physical shift down the lane, more like a marble rolling across a table.  After using the Dual Angle Layout technique, I noticed that the ball now makes a physical shift down the lane, proving to me that this ball is drilled for ME.

I have now welcomed myself to part of the game that I never knew existed.  For years I had wondered why I have had so much trouble finding consistency, battling over/under conditions, and adjusting to constant bad carry.  After tonight, that all stops.  Tonight I stop battling myself; tonight I gain back my confidence.  Tonight-- I win.

Thank you Ballreviews community.  I give credit of all my future success, whether big or small, to you guys.

 

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Re: My Gratitude, Dual Angle Layout
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2010, 09:19:20 AM »
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I measured my PAP today using an Armadillo. I am 3 1/2" over by 1" up


Congratulations for taking the time and energy to learn how to develop a layout for YOUR game.  That's a big step.  A couple of tips - first, the Armadillo is a great tool for locating your PAP, but if you didn't confirm the location with a piece of tape and you used a flaring ball the location could be off some.  I use a 'dillo all the time for PAP locations, but frequently find that I've missed seeing the first one or two flare rings.  Either the ball flared before it hit the lane surface or the oil has absorbed into the ball.  The BEST way to confirm the location is to put a piece of white tape on the location you get from the 'dillo, preferably on a non-flaring ball, and throw it.  If it's a plastic ball the tape will stay stationary all the way down the lane when the PAP is correctly marked.  If you have to use a flaring ball, get someone else to watch the tape as soon as you release the ball, it will only stay stationary for perhaps 5 feet after you release it.  If the tape doesn't remain stationary, move the tape around until it does.  Second, you can get your axis tilt directly off the 'dillo when you measure your PAP.  The dotted line is a full roller track, 0 degrees of axis tilt.  The first solid line from the dotted line is 3 degrees of axis tilt, the second solid line is 10 degrees of axis tilt, then each additional line adds another 7 degrees.  I've marked my 'dillo with a Sharpie so I can just look at the number and record the axis tilt.  This might also be of interest to your pro shop operator.  If he has any questions, get him to either post them here or send me a PM.  --  JohnP

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Re: My Gratitude, Dual Angle Layout
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2010, 11:12:04 AM »
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I measured my PAP today using an Armadillo. I am 3 1/2" over by 1" up


Congratulations for taking the time and energy to learn how to develop a layout for YOUR game.  That's a big step.  A couple of tips - first, the Armadillo is a great tool for locating your PAP, but if you didn't confirm the location with a piece of tape and you used a flaring ball the location could be off some.  I use a 'dillo all the time for PAP locations, but frequently find that I've missed seeing the first one or two flare rings.  Either the ball flared before it hit the lane surface or the oil has absorbed into the ball.  The BEST way to confirm the location is to put a piece of white tape on the location you get from the 'dillo, preferably on a non-flaring ball, and throw it.  If it's a plastic ball the tape will stay stationary all the way down the lane when the PAP is correctly marked.  If you have to use a flaring ball, get someone else to watch the tape as soon as you release the ball, it will only stay stationary for perhaps 5 feet after you release it.  If the tape doesn't remain stationary, move the tape around until it does.  Second, you can get your axis tilt directly off the 'dillo when you measure your PAP.  The dotted line is a full roller track, 0 degrees of axis tilt.  The first solid line from the dotted line is 3 degrees of axis tilt, the second solid line is 10 degrees of axis tilt, then each additional line adds another 7 degrees.  I've marked my 'dillo with a Sharpie so I can just look at the number and record the axis tilt.  This might also be of interest to your pro shop operator.  If he has any questions, get him to either post them here or send me a PM.  --  JohnP


Thank you for the comments.  Yes I did use a white piece of tape after I marked my PAP from the armadillo, and as far as I know it seemed to be correct.  I learned the sticker/tape trick a long time ago, so I've played around with it once in a while to try to mark my PAP for personal reference.  After using the armadillo, I was pretty sure it was about as close as I could get.  I probably should drill up a non-flaring ball just in case though, just to be safe.  And no, I did not know you can find the axis tilt from it!  I'll definitely have to get in there and throw a few shots to mark my PAP again so I can see the axis tilt.  Thank you very much for the information!

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Re: My Gratitude, Dual Angle Layout
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2010, 12:38:28 AM »
Congrats to u.

few things i would like to ask as i am also walking along the same path as yourself. ie. wanting to layout the ball on my own.

after laying out, did u drill the ball yourself as well or did u just finish whats on the dual angel layout sheet and found the center of grip?

how do u use an armadillo to find your pap? do u have information or step by step instructions on using it? i have never had the chance to touch one before.

my pap was derived using another method. drawing 2 perpendicular lines to the first oil ring.

i would very much like to learn how to use an armadillo

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Re: My Gratitude, Dual Angle Layout
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2010, 01:04:42 AM »
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Congrats to u.

few things i would like to ask as i am also walking along the same path as yourself. ie. wanting to layout the ball on my own.

after laying out, did u drill the ball yourself as well or did u just finish whats on the dual angel layout sheet and found the center of grip?

how do u use an armadillo to find your pap? do u have information or step by step instructions on using it? i have never had the chance to touch one before.

my pap was derived using another method. drawing 2 perpendicular lines to the first oil ring.

i would very much like to learn how to use an armadillo




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Miffy1980

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Re: My Gratitude, Dual Angle Layout
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2010, 01:22:24 AM »
Oh Lillen,

U are a life saver~! thank you so much. i am one step closer to do my own layout .. this is exciting~!~!

o and i found this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC1pjCVtBd8

just thought i''d share

Edited on 3/12/2010 2:32 AM

JohnP

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Re: My Gratitude, Dual Angle Layout
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2010, 06:35:10 PM »
Here''s a set of instructions I''ve posted before on how to use an Armadillo.  --  JohnP

To locate a player''s PAP, mark a section of the initial track about 4" long (it doesn''t make any difference where on the ball the section is located)  with a white or yellow layout pencil. Match up one of the track lines on
the ''dillo with the line on the ball (if none of them match exactly,
estimate between the lines) and mark the PAP at the locator end of
the ''dillo. To lay a ball out, let''s say a 4 x 5 layout -- place the
4" line on the ''dillo on the pin AND the 5" line on the cg or mb.
Mark the PAP for the layout at the locator end and proceed as usual
from there. To draw a true perpendicular line to an existing line,
line up the dashed line on the ''dillo with the line on the ball,
placing the straight edge of the ''dillo where you want the line and
draw it.

To find tilt, when you line the ''dillo up to locate the PAP, count how many track rings the line you''re using is away from the dotted line.  The dotted line is a full roller track or 13 1/2" diameter.  The first ring away from the dotted track is a diameter reduction of 1/2", or 13" diameter.  Each subsequent ring is a reduction of 1" in diameter, so the next one would be 11", then 10", etc.  When you have the diameter you just go to the chart for diameter versus tilt.  If you don''t have that chart, look on buddiesproshop.com in their Technical section, under asymmetrical layouts.
If you''ll be using the ''Dillo to find tilt frequently, write the degrees of axis tilt next to the flare lines with a Sharpie, in an area near the edge.  Mark both sides so you can use it for lefties too.

Edited on 3/13/2010 11:04 AM