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General Category => Drilling & Layouts => Topic started by: TeeP Nade on February 18, 2015, 10:14:06 AM

Title: finger weight or thumb weight?
Post by: TeeP Nade on February 18, 2015, 10:14:06 AM
which one is "better" to have? i know you have to be within one oz of finger thumb as well as left/right. but i was wondering the difference between having more finger weight vs having more thumb weight? i know for weight holes, the further down you go with the weight hole the more it increases flare...so does that mean that having more finger weight is better if you want a ball to flare more and hook more?
Title: Re: finger weight or thumb weight?
Post by: Nails on February 18, 2015, 10:34:54 AM
Neither is better. Don't even think about statics unless it's for the purpose of adding a weight hole as part of the original drill pattern. Statics are so far down the list of what influences a ball's reaction that they are basically irrelevant.
Title: Re: finger weight or thumb weight?
Post by: kidlost2000 on February 18, 2015, 11:11:40 AM
I prefer when possible thumb and some positive side weight only for weight hole options.  Otherwise I just care about being within regulation.
Title: Re: finger weight or thumb weight?
Post by: TeeP Nade on February 18, 2015, 11:13:30 AM
Neither is better. Don't even think about statics unless it's for the purpose of adding a weight hole as part of the original drill pattern. Statics are so far down the list of what influences a ball's reaction that they are basically irrelevant.
i know coverstock/finish is first, i think core is second?
Title: Re: finger weight or thumb weight?
Post by: JustRico on February 18, 2015, 11:24:13 AM
Cover is first, core strength effects if the ball slows down properly...surface is 75%
Title: Re: finger weight or thumb weight?
Post by: xrayjay on February 18, 2015, 11:54:08 AM
I was close, I thought 70/30....
Title: Re: finger weight or thumb weight?
Post by: TeeP Nade on February 18, 2015, 12:01:05 PM
Cover is first, core strength effects if the ball slows down properly...surface is 75%
so what about the layout then? or is that part of the core?
Title: Re: finger weight or thumb weight?
Post by: JustRico on February 18, 2015, 12:03:45 PM
Core dictates flare potential, layout dictates how the ball reacts due to the bowling ball slowing down and the amount of flare created
Title: Re: finger weight or thumb weight?
Post by: charlest on February 18, 2015, 12:09:13 PM
Cover is first, core strength effects if the ball slows down properly...surface is 75%
so what about the layout then? or is that part of the core?

Yes.

As far as I understand static weights in today's environment ---
As has been implied, thumb, top, bottom and side weights are no longer applicable in helping to determine how the drilling will affect the roll and other traits of the vast majority of today's dynamic cored balls.

They are/were significant for what is termed pancake cored balls int he 70s/80s and part of the 90s. Today, maybe 1 in 10,000 sold balls used for strikes have a pancake core; most polyester and many urethane balls still use pancake cores, but again the majority do not use dynamic cores (obviously some do).

Most people only consider static weights to insure a ball is technically legal AND to leave room for a potential weight hole to affect the flare and the dynamics of the drilled ball.
Title: Re: finger weight or thumb weight?
Post by: BradleyInIrving on February 18, 2015, 03:09:49 PM
If you forget about static weights and just layout a ball  your options will be more open as to what you can do with a ball.. .. Static weights are only to make your USBC ball compliant..

So, let's say you have a ball with a 5" pin  (pin being 5" from the cg mark) and have your layout (as an example)  45 x 5" x 60  (45 being drill angle, 5" is pin 5" from your PaP and 60 being the VaL angle) you're going to put a hole roughly in the cg mark area anyway to make it compliant...   ... so your options are WIDE open when it comes to layouts ..