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JessN16

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Help for a friend with a very unique style...(updated)
« on: February 04, 2008, 03:05:16 PM »
I've got a friend who is a very unique bowler to say the least. He was in a motorcycle crash some years back and has some mobility issues in his right arm and shoulder.

He is very strong and muscular. But because of his arm issues, he tends to throw the ball almost sidearm. Anyone remember what Dan Quisenberry or Kent Tekulve looked like throwing a baseball in the 1980s can imagine my friend's delivery. Basically, it is hard for him to swing his arm back and forth while it is completely vertical/parallel to his body. He ends up tossing the ball from about the 4:30 mark rather than 6 o'clock, yet somehow he manages to do it with decent consistency.

His wrist is strong but hardly mobile at all these days. He tends to throw straight down the outside with a lot of speed.

At our house, because of the low oil volume, he tends to get most of his strikes on the wrong side. The outside dries up quickly for him, and he cannot maneuver his swing plane or wrist turn in a way that allows him to move left and swing the ball. He must continue to go off the corner.

I haven't measured his ball, but from looking at it, he tracks very high and I suspect his PAP is probably 6 over 0 up or close to it. There is no tilt involved at all, and he has very little axis rotation if any.

He has a Hammer Blue Vibe that, considering what part of the lane he plays (outside on a dry shot), often hooks too much. His plastic ball doesn't hook quite enough because of his speed. The Vibe is drilled CG in the palm and the pin straight up over the ring finger an inch or so.

He's toying with the idea of getting something to fit between the two. I suggested a Roto Grip Mercury -- mild ball, still has a real core.

I'm stumped on what to suggest as a drill pattern, though. I'd be cautious of sending the pin any further left than right over the bridge because I'm afraid he's going to start clipping holes. I'm toying with the idea of a balance hole on his NAP (he'd never come close to flaring over it).

Anyone have any ideas? He's a helluva nice guy, loves the game, even though he still has pain from his accident and is limited compared to most of the rest of us.

Jess

Edited on 3/12/2008 0:09 AM

 

JohnP

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Re: Help for a friend with a very unique style...(updated)
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2008, 02:56:21 PM »
Has he considered converting to left handed?  With the damage you've described, he might be better off in the long run.  If he's not interested in that, you're right - keep the pin in the safe zone.  You want to get the ball into its roll early, so I'd suggest a 2 1/2" pin to PAP with enough side and thumb weight that you can add a balance hole in the positive thumb quadrant, probably around the VAL.  Good luck  --  JohnP

JessN16

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Re: Help for a friend with a very unique style...(updated)
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2008, 03:08:45 PM »
We're actually trying to create a little skid for him. He starts it right up 5 and usually where he runs into trouble is in the heads and the first half of the mids.

He throws the ball almost downward into the floor rather than projecting it out onto the lane. Typically, you can watch what very little tilt/rotation he has move over in the first 30-40 feet. He has very little skid, then whatever hook he generates often takes it Brooklyn.

The ball then rolls out into the pins with an incredible amount of forward roll. He typically gets decent revs, but it's almost all forward revs. I'm trying to delay his breakpoint a little bit, if that makes any sense.

Thoughts?

Jess

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Re: Help for a friend with a very unique style...(updated)
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2008, 09:28:39 PM »
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what about pin on the axis its not going to delay the reaction but it will cut down on the overall hook. This is what I used on really torched heads and sense he plays out in the dry the ball will have no problem getting it to a good roll. have you checked out bowling bowling knowledge and some of the degreed layouts like maybe the 105  or 135 I am experimenting with those right now and they get a lot of length

hope this helps good luck


Thanks for the input. I don't want to get too exotic with him because he doesn't buy balls often (once a year, tops) and if we hit something that doesn't work or especially thumps holes and is unusable then I'm going to feel like a heel for suggesting it.

I'll give the 105 and 135 a closer look. What I'm quite worried about is that he already tracks almost right on the thumb and middle finger

If I put him in something that wants to roll I darn sure want it to be something that kills overall hook. His current pro shop knows how to drill label-leverage and that's about it so they're no help.

Jess

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Re: Help for a friend with a very unique style...(updated)
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2008, 10:08:14 AM »
Sorry, with his speed I assumed the ball wasn't getting into a roll.  For more skid, I'd suggest a 5 - 5 1/2" pin to PAP with the pin located 1 - 2" above the finger holes and target for 1/2 - 3/4 oz of side weight.  You may have to drill the finger holes extra deep and/or use a balance hole in the finger positive quadrant.  Select a ball with a fairly high RG and medium differential, and possibly a pearlized coverstock.  Another option could be the Visionary Slate Blue Gargoyle, pearlized urethane cover with a good core - then you could use a more aggressive layout.  This ball has been discontinued, but still shows to be available in 14 - 16 lb at All Star Bowling (link below).  Good luck and let us know how you come out.  --  JohnP

http://www.allstarbowling.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=132

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Re: Help for a friend with a very unique style...(updated)
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2008, 12:09:12 AM »
In preparation for this guy getting a new ball in the next week or two, I took a look at his Blue Vibe tonight, and I couldn't believe what I saw.

His ball track has moved at some point over the last month. He is now tracking directly from 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock. Yep, the ball is rolling right over the thumb and right between the finger holes.

There is no tilt involved and minimal axis rotation. At least he has heavy forward roll. (g)

What kind of drillings can you use for someone like this?

Jess