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General Category => Drilling & Layouts => Topic started by: bigdaddy1808 on January 03, 2013, 10:26:47 AM
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Has anyone seen this or tried it?
http://kmtballjig.com/
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I don't know something about hand held drill and bowling balls send shivers down my spine. Maybe its just me.
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Yea, I have one,but I had to modify it:http://s793.beta.photobucket.com/user/EFFEN10/media/037.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3#/user/EFFEN10/media/037.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3&_suid=135726207724104641318940514884 (http://s793.beta.photobucket.com/user/EFFEN10/media/037.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3#/user/EFFEN10/media/037.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3&_suid=135726207724104641318940514884)
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Yea, I have one,but I had to modify it:http://s793.beta.photobucket.com/user/EFFEN10/media/037.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3#/user/EFFEN10/media/037.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3&_suid=135726207724104641318940514884 (http://s793.beta.photobucket.com/user/EFFEN10/media/037.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3#/user/EFFEN10/media/037.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3&_suid=135726207724104641318940514884)
Looks solid... ;)
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I look forward to fixing your screwups....I figure you save $40 on drilling...but then pay me $50 to have it plugged and redrilled....good investment.
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I look forward to fixing your screwups....I figure you save $40 on drilling...but then pay me $50 to have it plugged and redrilled....good investment.
lol I think this is kinda of a joke but I like drillpress setup
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What was the benefit of putting the KMT jig on a mini mill? Were you unable to find a jig or this just a cheaper option for the proper jig?
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I look forward to fixing your screwups....I figure you save $40 on drilling...but then pay me $50 to have it plugged and redrilled....good investment.
And I'm sure when you first started drilling balls,you were perfect? That's how we learn.
I drill my own and for a few select friends.Started about four years ago.I view it as my hobby,kinda like wood working.It is a good investment for ME.And whatever screw ups I had,I fixed them.
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What was the benefit of putting the KMT jig on a mini mill? Were you unable to find a jig or this just a cheaper option for the proper jig?
At the time the least expensive mill with jig I could find was $600.00. Mill-Drills at that time were going for $1500.00.I put mine together for about $950.00.I've tweaked my setup over time,but it works very well for me.
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Apparently some of you aren't reading the testimonials. The KMT ball jig has been proven to be every bit as accurate as a press or a mill. I don't know why some people are so skeptical. It is just a mechanical device used to hold the ball in a given position as it is being drilled. Why does it matter what you're using to rotate the drill bit? The fact that some people are using it on their press proves that it works!
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It looks fine but in the long run id rather piece together a more conventional setup. X-Y axis jig off ebay for $200 then a used set of bits for $150 and last a new drill from lowes for $300. When its all said and done it is a great investment.
The kmt scale is more appealing but still at the same cost as what you would pay for a used dodo scale makes it a tougher decision.
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It looks fine but in the long run id rather piece together a more conventional setup. X-Y axis jig off ebay for $200 then a used set of bits for $150 and last a new drill from lowes for $300. When its all said and done it is a great investment.
The kmt scale is more appealing but still at the same cost as what you would pay for a used dodo scale makes it a tougher decision.
It all depends on what you're trying to accomplish---a drill press usually requires a permanent installation area. It is more versatile and quicker, but if you're only drilling a few balls per year, how much versatillity and speed do you need? In between drillings, it's taking up space.
The KMT drill bits are MUCH cleaner than standard bits, and they don't drift. When you're done, the whole setup breaks down in 5 minutes, and can be stored away in a briefcase.
There will be a video coming out next week comparing the KMT dodo scale to a Kaufman. I'll post something when it's available.
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I dont blame anyone for wanting either. Im not sure how much space is an issue for many. I started with a bench top press and later a stand up. Both take up a small area. Neither were portable. I think the complete scale at $250 to $300 would be a good deal.
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If you already have the KMT ball jig, the scale is $239 as an attachment.
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Wish I had the money to spend on one of these. I would love to have one here, because I know how to drill my own stuff.
Regardless of what some people will tell you, it does NOT take a degree in science to be able to drill holes in a bowling ball. You may need it to be able to figure out WHERE you want those holes, but getting them in the ball isn't that big of a deal.
I do not think this is for someone who has never drilled a ball before, but for those that have, and have some knowledge of what pitches and angles are, this should work just fine. If you don't think so, then tell all of us WHY you think it wouldn't instead of just saying so.
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If you already have the KMT ball jig, the scale is $239 as an attachment.
Correct, but if you dont it wouldn't it be closer to $500 for everything to make just the scale?
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If you already have the KMT ball jig, the scale is $239 as an attachment.
Correct, but if you dont it wouldn't it be closer to $500 for everything to make just the scale?
$399 plus shipping for the stand alone scale. If you want the whole set up with drill bits, span ruler, etc., it's currently on e-bay for $528 and comes with a 15# DV8 misfit ball.
Your scenario for used equipment that would do the same thing is over $1000.
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Curious how you drill the weight hole? If the kit comes with 2 bits aren't you stuck buying another bit (or set of bits) if you want to use different sized balancing holes? Same thing will occur if your finger sizes are different.
Not trying to bash the tool....I suppose it could be useful. But having worked and owned a pro shop for years I think the tried and true tools are the way to go. There is a reason that those of us in the industry use them.
Personally, if I were to do something at home this is the way I would go
http://www.shop.innovativebowling.com/Starter-Pro-Shop-Package-PSP-Starter.htm
Especially since they offer great support to the industry. John is top notch when it comes to addressing issues and they offer financing. To have a decent home shop you will need other stuff such as a bevel sander, ball spinner, and hand tools. Some come with the package, others would need to be purchased. But you could have a better set up than some shops do for around $3000 for all brand new stuff.
Or hunt around and find used stuff. Again, not knocking the product, I just think there is a better way to do it.
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Curious how you drill the weight hole? If the kit comes with 2 bits aren't you stuck buying another bit (or set of bits) if you want to use different sized balancing holes? Same thing will occur if your finger sizes are different.
Not trying to bash the tool....I suppose it could be useful. But having worked and owned a pro shop for years I think the tried and true tools are the way to go. There is a reason that those of us in the industry use them.
Personally, if I were to do something at home this is the way I would go
http://www.shop.innovativebowling.com/Starter-Pro-Shop-Package-PSP-Starter.htm
Especially since they offer great support to the industry. John is top notch when it comes to addressing issues and they offer financing. To have a decent home shop you will need other stuff such as a bevel sander, ball spinner, and hand tools. Some come with the package, others would need to be purchased. But you could have a better set up than some shops do for around $3000 for all brand new stuff.
Or hunt around and find used stuff. Again, not knocking the product, I just think there is a better way to do it.
There are limitations. It's not for everyone. If you don't use finger inserts, you would have to buy extra bits for different size fingers. The same goes for balance holes. It is meant for the bowler who uses both thumb and finger inserts. That way, you only need 2 drill bits. That leaves you with the choice of 2 balance hole sizes, which is usually enough to accomplish the task. If you buy a couple of balls per year, this device will pay for itself in a few years. $3000 is a much different story.
I'm currently working with Grip Loc on a 1-3/8" drill bit so that customers will be able to install interchangable thumbs in their ball. That will be available in the next couple of months.
As I've said before, this device is every bit as accurate as a press or mill. Sooner or later, I'm hoping that this will become the "tried & true" along with the other tools of the trade.
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Its a neat device no doubt. Theres a market for it.
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I'm not going to invest that much into a uni-tasker...
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I'm not going to invest that much into a uni-tasker...
If you look at the instruction sheets or the videos, you'll see that there are many different compound pitches that are possible with just 1 pitch plate--the kit comes with 2.
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I'm not going to invest that much into a uni-tasker...
If you look at the instruction sheets or the videos, you'll see that there are many different compound pitches that are possible with just 1 pitch plate--the kit comes with 2.
Sorry, you missed my point. If I was to invest in a drill press for personal use to drill my own equipment it could be used for more than just that.
Also, if I lost interest in running my own "shop" I could sell it to someone with completely different pitch requirements or even to someone with no interest in drilling bowling balls at all.
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I'm not going to invest that much into a uni-tasker...
If you look at the instruction sheets or the videos, you'll see that there are many different compound pitches that are possible with just 1 pitch plate--the kit comes with 2.
Sorry, you missed my point. If I was to invest in a drill press for personal use to drill my own equipment it could be used for more than just that.
Also, if I lost interest in running my own "shop" I could sell it to someone with completely different pitch requirements or even to someone with no interest in drilling bowling balls at all.
This is why I think only having 2 bits is an issue. If I were to pursue drilling stuff at home I would want to try many different things. Went to a seminar today where Mo Pinel discussed the MOtion hole that has been recently developed. One of the things you need for just that one balance hole is bit sizes from 3/4-1-1/4.
I would also want to be able to help out my buddies. All the knowledge to properly drill bowling balls with every bit of technology pro shops use is out here on the internet. Again I think people would be much better off with an entry level and especially a used entry level press with a full set of bits. Just my opinion though.
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I'm not going to invest that much into a uni-tasker...
If you look at the instruction sheets or the videos, you'll see that there are many different compound pitches that are possible with just 1 pitch plate--the kit comes with 2.
Sorry, you missed my point. If I was to invest in a drill press for personal use to drill my own equipment it could be used for more than just that.
Also, if I lost interest in running my own "shop" I could sell it to someone with completely different pitch requirements or even to someone with no interest in drilling bowling balls at all.
This is why I think only having 2 bits is an issue. If I were to pursue drilling stuff at home I would want to try many different things. Went to a seminar today where Mo Pinel discussed the MOtion hole that has been recently developed. One of the things you need for just that one balance hole is bit sizes from 3/4-1-1/4.
I would also want to be able to help out my buddies. All the knowledge to properly drill bowling balls with every bit of technology pro shops use is out here on the internet. Again I think people would be much better off with an entry level and especially a used entry level press with a full set of bits. Just my opinion though.
I see your point----I don't necessarilly agree. I'm trying to give people something that they can use time after time to reproduce a drilling pattern that has proven to be effective for them. I can't see any reason for an individual to buy a set of drill bits, most of which he will only use once or twice.
There are a lot of different theories out there on how to drill bowling balls. Mo Pinels is only one of them. If someone wants to experiment with different pitches and different size holes, then perhaps this is not the tool for them. Like I said, it's not for everyone.
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I think for many either set up could work. Even on a standard set up you can get by without a full set of drill bits. You only need your sizes and maybe one additional for xholes. Same for the kmt setup. The kmt would be good for someone who doesn't plan on changing everything about their span and pitches ect. If you wanted to drill for your self and leave your other things the same then it is a much more cost effect route.
Xholes aren't an issue because of the bits you have on hand would more then work, and rarely do you ever pitch an xhole.
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I think for many either set up could work. Even on a standard set up you can get by without a full set of drill bits. You only need your sizes and maybe one additional for xholes. Same for the kmt setup. The kmt would be good for someone who doesn't plan on changing everything about their span and pitches ect. If you wanted to drill for your self and leave your other things the same then it is a much more cost effect route.
Xholes aren't an issue because of the bits you have on hand would more then work, and rarely do you ever pitch an xhole.
I pitch balance holes all the time. I would say 60-70% of the time. There are many different reasons to do so. I won't get into all the reasons but there are plenty.
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I think for many either set up could work. Even on a standard set up you can get by without a full set of drill bits. You only need your sizes and maybe one additional for xholes. Same for the kmt setup. The kmt would be good for someone who doesn't plan on changing everything about their span and pitches ect. If you wanted to drill for your self and leave your other things the same then it is a much more cost effect route.
Xholes aren't an issue because of the bits you have on hand would more then work, and rarely do you ever pitch an xhole.
I pitch balance holes all the time. I would say 60-70% of the time. There are many different reasons to do so. I won't get into all the reasons but there are plenty.
Pitching a balance hole wouldn't be a problem, but if you wanted different size bits, you would have to order extras---but then you would have to have extras with a drill press too.
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It looks fine but in the long run id rather piece together a more conventional setup. X-Y axis jig off ebay for $200 then a used set of bits for $150 and last a new drill from lowes for $300. When its all said and done it is a great investment.
Where can I find said x-y jig for $200? I would jump on that. But I don't see anything like that on ebay. Am I using the wrong search terms?
I am considering the KMT jig. My only hesitation is the balance hole issue. I might want to pitch them and also use different sizes.
From what I can tell the KMT is a solid product and offers a viable solution for a certain segment of the bowling population.
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it's a xy milling table you mount to a drill press. you still need to have a cup and a way to clamp/hold the ball from rotating while drilling.
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How do you cut down a slug/plug with one of these?
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It looks fine but in the long run id rather piece together a more conventional setup. X-Y axis jig off ebay for $200 then a used set of bits for $150 and last a new drill from lowes for $300. When its all said and done it is a great investment.
Where can I find said x-y jig for $200? I would jump on that. But I don't see anything like that on ebay. Am I using the wrong search terms?
I am considering the KMT jig. My only hesitation is the balance hole issue. I might want to pitch them and also use different sizes.
From what I can tell the KMT is a solid product and offers a viable solution for a certain segment of the bowling population.
I don't advertise the "jig only" anywhere, but I don't have a problem selling it that way for $200. Just send me an e-mail: kmtproshop@hotmail.com
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How do you cut down a slug/plug with one of these?
Here's a video for installing slugs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3zKLv6dYy4
Here's the video comparing the KMT scale to a Kaufman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0Ll46TqDmA&feature=youtu.be