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JediNit

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help on layout
« on: January 19, 2009, 01:41:47 PM »
I plan on talking this out with my driller but thought I'd ask for some opinions from all the experience here. I got a great deal on an older Columbia Flipside Wow. Its a particle ball that I got to use on a heavy house shot that I have been struggling with. I don't want to change the surface of my other equipment because they work great in my other house.  My PAP is 4.5 right 1/2 up, medium revs, ball speed in the 16 to 17 mph range. I'm thinking a stacked drilling at 3 1/2"  Pin to PAP. My only concern is that this will roll too early and have a dead backend. What do you think?

 

JustRico

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Re: help on layout
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2009, 09:57:12 PM »
If you match the surface properly, the ball should not roll to early and have no back end. The problem most bowlers do not understand is wanting a ball to 'back end' on heavy or long oil.

If you are bowling on a 40-45 ft pattern, by the time the ball has slowed down and started gripping the lane, takes about 5-6 ft. A lane is 60 ft long. Do the math.

A bowling ball has to have the proper amount of time to slow down and change direction. The lay out is used to create flare. Surface is what makes the ball slow down. Match this with the correct ball type.
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JediNit

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Re: help on layout
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2009, 10:14:13 PM »
I guess dead backend wasn't the right wording. I understand what you are saying about the surface prep. Without any surface change would this drilling roll out on me or could it over react and leave me with some washouts?

Mike Austin

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Re: help on layout
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2009, 01:00:56 PM »
Not going to roll out if the oil is heavy enough.  There just isn't enough time for the ball to grab and use all of it's energy in those last so few feet.  If the pattern is long, the ball won't make a huge move left/sideways, the key is to get the ball rolling early enough and have it finish solid through the pin deck.

With your slightly lower track, don't think this will be any problem at all.  If you are really worried about the roll out, go to 4 inches with the pin and use slightly more surface.

You should be fine with your original idea though, adjust surface to taste.

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Re: help on layout
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2009, 01:39:06 PM »
Hey jedi,

I agree with JustRico and Mike here.  Based on your description of "med revs" at 16-17mph, you shouldn't have problems of rolling out.  The Wow was fairly aggressive but not the strongest particle at that time. Out of curiosity, what ball/layout/cover did you try on the heavier shot that did not give you enough reaction?  This would help tell us how the Wow should compare to that piece, thanks.

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JediNit

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Re: help on layout
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2009, 02:01:32 PM »
I am currently using a Zone Classic and Doom both at out of box finish, which is polished if you are unfamiliar. The zone is layed out about the same as I'm contemplating and is strong on most conditions. I can't remeber the exact measurments right now. The Doom is 4x4. Gets me a little more length than the Zone. I figured that more surface would help but since these balls work great as is in another house I don't want to have to go back and forth with surface changes all the time. I figured that the particle surface of the Wow would probably give me what I'm looking for. I'm not sure if its the volume or length of the oil that is giving me problems. I've only been league bowling for 4 years so I know I have a lot to learn, but I currently carry a 194 average in one house and am 11 pins lower in the one I struggle in. I just can't get to the pocket as often to string some strikes together.

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Re: help on layout
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2009, 02:59:41 PM »
Okay jedi, I'd say your layout is fine.  I would try the ball at 800 first to see if you can get your desired reaction and adjust from there.

 
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I'm not sure if its the volume or length of the oil that is giving me problems.


Either way, hopefully the 800 (or duller) cover will give you enough friction to transition from skid to hook soon enough to respond on the backend.  As I responded in another thread, this is a big misconception for many bowlers when they are not getting enough backend reaction on a given condition.  They think they need more "backend" when in actuality it's more midlane read that is required.  If a ball can read the midlane, it will then offer us the backend reaction. Hope this helps explain some...
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JediNit

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Re: help on layout
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2009, 03:12:32 PM »
Thanks Tenpin. That is kinda what I thought. Like I said, I'm still learning and I guess I didn't word everything right. I figured I needed the duller surface but was unsure how the drilling would work with that surface. This is why I new to ask here before and as well as talking to my driller. I knew someone could set me straight and teach me something. Thanks again all of you who have responded.

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Re: help on layout
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2009, 03:50:22 PM »
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Thanks Tenpin. That is kinda what I thought. Like I said, I'm still learning and I guess I didn't word everything right.


You're very welcome and no worries, that's what we're here for...to try and help.




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