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Speedburner89

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drilling with the girard layout
« on: January 30, 2006, 11:36:28 AM »
as the title implies i'm gonna experiment with this layout on a purple silver quantum, what can i expect in reaction and what shots does it play the best on?
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Speedburner89

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Re: drilling with the girard layout
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2006, 02:48:30 PM »
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Re: drilling with the girard layout
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2006, 08:51:18 PM »
Speedburner, I could probably get it close if I knew anything about the quantum you're going to drill. Coverstock, weightblock, normal ball characteristics, etc.
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Speedburner89

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Re: drilling with the girard layout
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2006, 09:01:38 PM »
coverstock is activator squared (apparently activator with a tad more traction)

The RG is slightly lower than the original inferno with the same core.

The ball is gonna be 15 pounds with an average amount of top weight and a 3-4 inch pin out distance.

My impression is that the ball itself is a slight bit stronger cover wise than the original inferno and is a little smoother off the break
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Re: drilling with the girard layout
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2006, 09:16:28 PM »
You may have a problem with a 3-4" pin getting 1 1/2" clearance between your thumb & pos axis line to pin if you follow me. I think the minimum recommended pin out is 4 1/2". I guess if you kept the cg below mid-line enough you could make it work. I think mine is a 5 1/4 pin out. Anyway mine is a partical LRG, & it came dull OOB. With that finish, the ball pretty much just rolled so I polished it. The reaction I got then was skid snap with hook set action. I then hit it with grey scotchbrite & on my 40' THS I get length with a strong hockeystick hook set action with phenominal hit & carry. When the ball hits dry, it seems to explode & has increased revs & forward speed. May be a bit condition specific, but a dynamite ball when conditions are right. I have a 277 & 280 high with this ball in practice & have used it twice in league. (681 & 684)
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Re: drilling with the girard layout
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2006, 09:23:20 PM »
thanks for the info here's some more i dug up:

 
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There have been many questions about this drilling and the purpose of the layout. First of all this drilling happens to be nothing new. We have used it to reverse the flare for Full-Roller releases for quite some time. This layout allows the flare to move away from the fingers instead of towards them. Using it for non Full-Rollers is the only unique aspect of the layout.

We have always liked the different move this layout makes to friction. The move is less lateral, meaning the ball seems to make a more forward move down lane rather than a sideways move. Due to this we use this layout when we want to see particular bowlers use less angle through the front part of the lane. We have also observed a different move through the pins than that of positive axis layouts. When we want to reduce the move through the pins we have had success using this layout.

Because of the arc shape difference we have been able to attack the higher friction boards from a different angle. It has been successful when we see a bowlers head and belly not matching up. You can hook this layout, but when you are over projecting this layout your carry will suffer. The biggest challenge when using this layout is the transition moves a bowler needs to use.

Parallel moves work better than typical 2 and 1's. Speed is also an advantage when using this layout. Just because the ball sees early friction a bowler can not be tempted to move too quickly. Throwing it harder and maintaining lesser angles through the front part of the lane are advisable.

For those that wish to experiment with this layout. You will need to be very selective with the pin to CG distance. We start with the longest pin to CG distance we can with a minimum of 4 1/2 to 5 inches (this is very relative to the length of the bowlers span). Static weights are a concern and using the depth of the fingers and thumb will help keep the ball within legal limits of ball specifications.

Caution: Reversing the flare will in many cases cause the track to flare over the thumb hole. To avoid this you need to lower the pin placement. The theory by Ray Edwards in the R & D department at Brunswick is to draw a line between the pin and the positive axis point. This line needs to be 1 1/2 inches beneath the backside of the thumb hole.


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Re: drilling with the girard layout
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2006, 09:28:11 PM »
Yes, that is the same info I have. Did you get a ball layout diagram also? I would say not to try it with anything less than at least a full 4" pin. If you don't keep the pin far enough below the thumb, you will be tracking over it. Good luck with it!
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Re: drilling with the girard layout
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2006, 09:34:05 PM »
I guess i'll try the layout on something else, looks like the ball reaction will be pretty sick playing up the boards
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