Post by: cjbig34 on December 09, 2010, 01:44:07 AM
She currently has a mutant cell, virtual gravity, pluto.
I am looking for the strongest ball out there.
Anarchy, Mission 2.0,.... is there anything stronger? If so how should I drill it? Again medium speed low revs.
Thanks for help
Post by: PLM on December 09, 2010, 10:05:47 AM
Post by: milorafferty on December 09, 2010, 10:18:28 AM
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Post by: jdball299 on December 09, 2010, 12:54:35 PM
Track 715T is similar to Mutant Cell/Virtual Gravity but I believe it to be a little stronger off the spot than the MC/VG and more overall hook.
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Post by: Effybowler on December 09, 2010, 01:10:03 PM
Post by: nmbr1sun99 on December 09, 2010, 01:16:51 PM
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Post by: Ehudakineyah on December 09, 2010, 03:55:10 PM
The Motiv C51 is the most aggressive ball I've seen so far. Other then that, you got the Storm Invasion and Anarchy, Ebonite Mission or 2.0, and AMF Shredder.
In the mid price range: Storm 2Fast and 2Furious, and 900 Global Favorite.
Hope that helps a little man
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Post by: Inferno_256 on December 09, 2010, 08:15:20 PM
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Post by: dizzyfugu on December 10, 2010, 12:50:59 AM
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I am looking for the strongest ball out there.
For what? What is the ball supposed to do, or which "problem" is it supposed to solve?
When she averages 200, I hardly see why a "stronger" ball shoudl help - unless it is somehow necessary because of oily conditions. Or is it a "mental" thing, because of the "no hand = little hook = no good bowler" equation? With little hand and probably speed, a strong ball might be detrimental, please be more specific.
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Post by: Bluff on December 10, 2010, 10:53:22 AM
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The Motiv Cruel is a very strong and aggressive ball. The surface can be adjusted to meet the bowlers needs.
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I got a TX1 I can use it on Light to Medium What should I get for Medium to Heavy. Looking to add 2 more. Any Help apprec.
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Post by: stormbowling300 on December 10, 2010, 11:08:28 AM
Post by: J_w73 on December 10, 2010, 12:40:21 PM
With people that have little hand surface is the key.
4000 abralon hooks a ton off dry for people with people that have revs but for people that don't it may never hook up and move.
I would try 1000 abralon or 500 abralon and see how that works..
even with little hand it may roll out though depending on the layout and the lane condition.
I give my old equipment to my Dad..mostly 4000 abralon and polished.. he had trouble getting it to move.. We took some of his pieces down to maroon and green scotch bright and he can cover boards with the best of them now..
but I would agree about the AMF mega friction..
That ball has a pretty high load of particle even though it is not marketed as such..
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Post by: strikeking on December 13, 2010, 04:30:11 PM
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Post by: ccrider on December 13, 2010, 05:04:09 PM
I have an Awesome Hook, had one, gave it away. Great ball. Not the most hooking ball I have seen, especially compared to some of the more recent releases. For covering the most boards in heavy to medium conditions, you should get something like an Invasion, Virtual Gravity, or 930t. If you are looking for backend hook, try a 715a or a 607se. Of course, how the ball is drilled, according to your PAP will have substantial effect on the reaction. So will the surface prep of the cover.
Find someone that knows about drilling, surface and the difference in the balls on the market, and let them help you after watching you throw a game or so.
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According to the ball chart I have, the "Awesome Hook" is the most aggressive ball. Having a comparative rating of 8 Length, 16.5 Back-end and 58 Overall. The next ball is the "Total Shock & Awe" with ratings of 7 L, 15 BE and 57 OA. This compares to the "Mega Friction" with 8.5 L, 15 BE and 55 OA.
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Post by: justdale on December 13, 2010, 05:06:47 PM
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Post by: strikeking on December 13, 2010, 05:39:39 PM
I have lost the web location, but it is BTM_Ball_Reviews in the heading. Someone on this site gave me the web address.
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Post by: The Dreaded Durbin on December 13, 2010, 05:47:36 PM
I'm more in favor of Storm products, but if I had to recommend a non Utah product that will give you the best motion on a higher volume pattern, it's the Cruel.
Post by: A_P_K on December 13, 2010, 06:34:00 PM
Asking the people on this site what the most hooking ball is, like asking what is the true unemployment rate.
The Visionary Centaur Particle, Mega Recovery, Mega Friction, the first I listed would cover true heavy oil and nothing less.
Also have watched bowlers use VGs, Invasions, Mutants some looked great, some looked horrible. Pure Physics on a true medium...a Time Bomb ran circles around it...a full step over it...And how can one rate a pearl ball the most hooking ball is beyond me, put some oil down it''s not hooking much......
Point of my post...it''s all subjective...do the research and choose for yourself.
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Post by: FrontTwelv on December 24, 2010, 10:39:24 AM
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Post by: J_w73 on December 24, 2010, 11:25:09 AM
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PURE PHYSICS
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I have seen a few people throw the pure physics that don't have hand and the ball looks really good.. Way better than the plague..
the 916 AT looks pretty good too if you have forward roll.
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Post by: JOE FALCO on December 24, 2010, 11:53:27 AM
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Post by: tywithay on December 24, 2010, 12:04:01 PM
Post by: ccrider on December 24, 2010, 12:07:20 PM
CC
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Strikeking .. perhaps this will help:
http://home.earthlink.net/%7Elitefrozen/downloads/Ball_Reviews.zip
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Post by: charlest on December 24, 2010, 04:49:04 PM
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My wife is a solid bowler averaging around 200 every yr. She doesnt have much hand in the ball.
She currently has a mutant cell, virtual gravity, pluto.
I am looking for the strongest ball out there.
Anarchy, Mission 2.0,.... is there anything stronger? If so how should I drill it? Again medium speed low revs.
Thanks for help
1. So, exactly why do you not allow your/her driller to do "the right thing"?
2. With the Mutant Cell and VG at 2000 grit and 4000 grit respectively, why not take these VERY AGGRESIVE shelled balls down to 400 or 600 grit US or 1000 grit Abralon and see what she does with them?
Why pour more good money after bad (balls that don''t seem strong enough)?
Everything, especially a topic such as this, is EXTREMELY subjective, and hard linked not only to rev rate, but ball speed, tilt and rotation. All factors must be taken into account!!!!! This is not a simple subject.
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Post by: ccrider on December 26, 2010, 02:23:38 PM
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My wife is a solid bowler averaging around 200 every yr. She doesnt have much hand in the ball.
She currently has a mutant cell, virtual gravity, pluto.
I am looking for the strongest ball out there.
Anarchy, Mission 2.0,.... is there anything stronger? If so how should I drill it? Again medium speed low revs.
Thanks for help
1. So, exactly why do you not your/her driller to do "the right thing"?
2. With the Mutant Cell and VG at 2000 grit and 4000 grit respectively, why not take these VERY AGGRESIVE shelled balls down to 400 or 600 grit US or 1000 grit Abralon and see what she does with them?
Why pour more good money after bad (balls that don't seem strong enough)?
Everything, especially a topic such as this, is EXTREMELY subjective, and hard linked not only to rev rate, but ball speed, tilt and rotation. All factors must be taken into account!!!!! This is not a simple subject.
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