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High Flare layout on low Diff ball Good/Bad?
« on: February 20, 2014, 09:50:20 AM »
Would you drill a low diff ball on a high flare pattern with a flare increasing x-hole for a bowler who has a high rev rate and good ball speed.  To me this looks like ball confusion.


 

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Re: High Flare layout on low Diff ball Good/Bad?
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2014, 03:34:59 PM »
Looks like Sean Rash's ball. I wouldn't call it "ball confusion". The driller is trying to take advantage of the bowler's rev rate and make the ball read the mids and roll, rather than skid/flip like most low diffs balls. Drilling a low diff ball with a layout that drops the diff or makes the core transition later is asking for over/under. There needs to be some form of track flare. Basically it allow the bowler to handle more oil and chase the line in a bit, keeping the ball in the bowlers hand longer and making it more versatile. 
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Re: High Flare layout on low Diff ball Good/Bad?
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2014, 06:52:13 PM »
Weak cover on a low flaring core can make for some very skid snappy ball motion, but say you need a slow smooth ball motion, but not much overall hook, think urethane.... but stronger. This may have been a weak enough cover, but needed to manipulate the  core dynamics more than usual to get it to flare enough to work.

And if that is Rash's ball (finger holes seem to look like it), it wouldnt surprise me to see them trying some odd layouts the way he has been bowling this week.

Bowling balls seem to usually pair strong covers with high diffs, and weak covers with weak diffs, and that usually gives you a pretty spread out range of reactions, but sometimes it can help to use a flare reducing layout on a strong core ball, or in this case, a flare increasing layout on a weak cored ball.

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Re: High Flare layout on low Diff ball Good/Bad?
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2014, 07:11:38 PM »
A lot of times you can use a weaker cover to allow a player to get closer to the friction and the layout so it doesn't over bounce down lane...it's all about how the ball is responding to the friction
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Re: High Flare layout on low Diff ball Good/Bad?
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2014, 07:35:36 PM »
So far I like the reaction of the ball if anyone ask.

 If I drill everything with a 5" pin then what am I looking to accomplish?

By your logic would you drill all strong balls aggressive and all weak balls weak?

« Last Edit: February 20, 2014, 07:38:01 PM by kidlost2000 »
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Re: High Flare layout on low Diff ball Good/Bad?
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2014, 07:47:13 PM »
Just keep in mind...flare is only relevant after the ball slows down...and flare is and should be based upon core dynamics/strength and the players rev rate
Stuff that is drilled for tour conditions generally relates to extreme conditions...nothing 99.9% of ALL bowlers would ever see...
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Re: High Flare layout on low Diff ball Good/Bad?
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2014, 07:48:03 PM »
My God, look at all that bevel in the fingers.
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Re: High Flare layout on low Diff ball Good/Bad?
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2014, 08:03:16 PM »
Its the angle of the pic after fresh sanding.
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Re: High Flare layout on low Diff ball Good/Bad?
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2014, 08:04:07 PM »
No if it is Sean he uses a LOT of bevel
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Re: High Flare layout on low Diff ball Good/Bad?
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2014, 08:37:02 PM »
Its not lol thats mine. My brother doubts my ball drilling choices.
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Re: High Flare layout on low Diff ball Good/Bad?
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2014, 08:44:41 PM »
How'd it roll?
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Re: High Flare layout on low Diff ball Good/Bad?
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2014, 08:50:16 PM »
Pretty good but had to switch balls. A little too much oil for it at box finish
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Re: High Flare layout on low Diff ball Good/Bad?
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2014, 09:55:30 PM »
Ok to update. Threw a practice game after league to try and get a better feel for the ball incase I wanted to take it with me for a tournament this Saturday.

The lane was close to what we finished on in league. Drier conditions especially on the outside.

I took the ball and went over it with a 4000 grit pad before ever throwing it.

During league on the fresh the first part of warm ups and into game one the ball really reved up hard in the midlane but was spotty down lane. Went to the bag and replaced it with the Ringer Platinum and had a lot more hook.

Onto the practice lane. Standing right ( 7 boards right of center with my left foot) I throw the Ringer Platinum. It starts reading pretty early and continues to hook passed the headpin. Switch to the Strike King and was pleasantly surprised. It is cleaner through the heads and revs strong in the midlane. Instead of jumping on the backends it just continues an even hook to the pocket. I could stand further right then any other ball and grab at it as much as I wanted and had a great look to the pocket.

I based this ball off of a similarly drilled Slingshot with a 2" pin and an x-hole 2" passed my pap. With this ball I opted for a 3" pin and went 2" down my VAL with  a larger x-hole due to 4ozs of top weight. The Slingshot has a little more length with a more aggressive continuation to the pocket. The Strike King revs sooner but then reacts smoother down lane in the drier part of the lane.


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Re: High Flare layout on low Diff ball Good/Bad?
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2014, 09:57:51 PM »
scroll over to see slingshot
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Re: High Flare layout on low Diff ball Good/Bad?
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2014, 10:00:20 PM »
What's the flare separation?
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