Author Topic: high rev drilling??? (Read 6198 times)

Brian362 · « **on:** July 16, 2009, 02:08:25 AM »

i have more than avg revs and avg speed. strong drillings don't seem to work for me and i am typically using low end equipment. are there any drillings that will work for me? my pap is 4 3/4 and 1/4 up. Thanks

In the past pin down under my ring finger have worked on several balls, when there is a lot of oil.

Xcessive_Evil · « **Reply #1 on:** July 17, 2009, 01:42:01 AM »

When you say "typically using low end equipment", exactly what piece(s) are you using? Where are you playing?
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Locke · « **Reply #2 on:** July 17, 2009, 03:08:16 AM »

I have a pap around 6 over by 1/2 up with higher than average revs and average speed. I never put a pin as low as even with the fingers. I try to keep pins at least 1 inch about the fingers. On low end stuff I tend to go 1 inch above bridge with the cg at least as far left as my ring finger.
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JustRico · « **Reply #3 on:** July 17, 2009, 07:01:21 AM »

The closer to leverage, the more unstable your reaction will be with higher than normal rev rate.
With today's core strengths, I would suggest starting with pins 5" from your PAP and try placing above your fingers. If the flares are too tight, place a weight hole accordingly.
If the pin position still creates too much flare, go 5 1/2" from your PAP.
You can also use flare reducing weight holes, which tend to be 2 1/2" inside your PAP or towards your grip from your PAP.
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Xcessive_Evil · « **Reply #4 on:** July 17, 2009, 07:16:52 AM »

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The closer to leverage, the more unstable your reaction will be with higher than normal rev rate.
With today's core strengths, I would suggest starting with pins 5" from your PAP and try placing above your fingers. If the flares are too tight, place a weight hole accordingly.
If the pin position still creates too much flare, go 5 1/2" from your PAP.
You can also use flare reducing weight holes, which tend to be 2 1/2" inside your PAP or towards your grip from your PAP.
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Doesn't a hole 2 1/2 up from PAP do the same thing? I can't remember how Nick ran it down in his X-hole vid...
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JustRico · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2009, 07:21:42 AM »

It is similar but you take a big chance on flaring over it. I NEVER USE THIS WEIGHT HOLE for that reason. It is safer to drill the fingers deeper to eliminate the need for a high hole.
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Xcessive_Evil · « **Reply #6 on:** July 17, 2009, 07:26:59 AM »

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It is similar but you take a big chance on flaring over it. I NEVER USE THIS WEIGHT HOLE for that reason. It is safer to drill the fingers deeper to eliminate the need for a high hole.
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Thanks. I actually have that X-hole on my Power Machine. I'm lucky for not flaring over it.
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Brian362 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 19, 2009, 05:07:38 PM »

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When you say "typically using low end equipment", exactly what piece(s) are you using? Where are you playing?
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track tantrum, brunswick power groove have been mainstays. I'm playing really deep inside lines (20-5 to around 30-7) Most people at the house use more aggressive equipment. My driller has been thinking of doing a ball for me with the pin really high above my fingers. i don't typically have any trouble getting balls to recover to the pocket. if i play up ten....i HAVE to use plastic. This is ALL on THS. On the PBA patterns, I don't have any problem playing straighter....I'm getting to the point where that is what I'd prefer to compete on. Thanks for the suggestions so far!!!

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #8 on:** July 19, 2009, 07:20:49 PM »

Without seeing you actually bowl, this is kind of a generic piece of advice, but I'll post it anyway. Maybe a little release tweak will also help you control the movement off the friction. Less axis rotation and more focus on getting the ball rolling hard (think Chris Barnes for example) might let you straighten up while still keeping your rev rate high. The other plus side to this is more control, better pin carry, etc.

wpzone · « **Reply #9 on:** July 19, 2009, 10:40:48 PM »

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I NEVER USE THIS WEIGHT HOLE for that reason. It is safer to drill the fingers deeper to eliminate the need for a high hole.

How deep can you drill the fingers without affecting the dynamics of the core, or is this even a concern?

six pack · « **Reply #10 on:** July 20, 2009, 07:51:53 PM »

do you have problems clearing the heads or just controlling the break point? I like to have a ball with a layout of 5"-6" from pap below the grip line,looks like a low tracker layout.it will still hook alot but wont jump off the dry like a pin up lay out.
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Xcessive_Evil · « **Reply #11 on:** July 21, 2009, 02:16:10 AM »

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quote:
When you say "typically using low end equipment", exactly what piece(s) are you using? Where are you playing?
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You may be the better bowler, but my car would blow the doors off of yours.
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track tantrum, brunswick power groove have been mainstays. I'm playing really deep inside lines (20-5 to around 30-7) Most people at the house use more aggressive equipment. My driller has been thinking of doing a ball for me with the pin really high above my fingers. i don't typically have any trouble getting balls to recover to the pocket. if i play up ten....i HAVE to use plastic. This is ALL on THS. On the PBA patterns, I don't have any problem playing straighter....I'm getting to the point where that is what I'd prefer to compete on. Thanks for the suggestions so far!!!

Your power grrove, definitely low end. Though others may disagree, I don't consider the Tantrum low-end by any means. Something I've been working on lately, so I will ask you the same thing. What is your wrist position? Until lately, my wrist has been as cupped as it gets and I have to play as deep as you do, sometimes deeper.

If this is the case, what you are experiencing is not enough skid from the ball. I've tried all sorts of layouts-6" pins negative MB's, more loft, etc. If you can flatten your wrist some(I.E. your index finger more in line with your arm), it can keep you from getting way too much into the ball. Careful with flattening the hand too much-as you can quickly go from little to no skid to way too much skid.
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Brian362 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2009, 09:41:38 AM »

I've tried several wrist postions. This helps to some degree. The problem is when the ball encounters friction. It is nearly uncontrollable. I believe that for years I used to hang in the ball so much that I would put the death grip on the ball. Since working with Paul, my release is really clean and my rev rate is significantly increased. So much so, I had to work on developing more ball speed to better match my release. I get a lot of tilt. My ball motion has been compared to the verizon check mark. We have tried pin down drilling to get equipment to roll earlier to cut down on that backend explosion. This has helped and I have a few 300s to show for it. I don't have a video recorder to show my ball path. I will ask a few friends to see if they have one I may borrow.

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #13 on:** July 21, 2009, 09:48:56 AM »

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I get a lot of tilt.

Well, at least we now know exactly what problems you're running into. Tilt is going to create extra skid in the front part of the lane, and a more violent response to friction in the back part of the lane. You can try slower-transitioning drillings and using lower-grit surfaces to get the ball to react less violently, but I really recommend working on your release with a coach to reduce your axis tilt. Focus more on getting the ball rolling rather than spinning. If you can do this while still maintaining your rev rate, your ball reaction should become more controllable, but you'll still shred the rack.

Brian362 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 21, 2009, 09:52:24 AM »

Thanks Dan. How do I work on drecreasing tilt?

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