Author Topic: Hook/set(stop) drill? (Read 11569 times)

agroves · « **on:** January 25, 2008, 04:14:21 PM »

I was watching one of the ESPN Classic reairs featuring Pete Weber. He was using a Thunder Road and playing em deep. I noticed the layout was pin slightly right and below ring, with the cg in the track. It appeared to have to hook/set. It seemed like it allowed him to use his high axis rotation with have the ball hook and continue through once it hooked.

I was thinking of drilling a Toxic or Vibe, or even a Neptune. Either way, I'm thinking the layout should be a hook/set or something with a 6" pin to pap and zero to slightly neg side weight.

Any luck with those layouts?

Andrew
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charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** January 26, 2008, 06:00:43 AM »

Is there really a hook and set drill for every ball, for every oil pattern and for every release,
OR
is it more a matter of the combination of the drill, the bowler's release, the bowler's ball speed and the oil pattern on which he's playing that provides the hook & set ball reaction?

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Edited on 1/26/2008 5:32 PM

abrown · « **Reply #2 on:** January 26, 2008, 06:17:56 AM »

i drilled a venus up with the pin over middle of bridge and the cg swung out towards my track it went long but made a violent snap to the pocket it also had a tendency to roll over the thumb

T-GOD · « **Reply #3 on:** January 26, 2008, 06:40:39 AM »

Try a little thumb weight with negative side. This static weight combination will aid in achieving a hook set motion on the lane. =:^D

agroves · « **Reply #4 on:** January 26, 2008, 03:15:16 PM »

quote:
Is there really a hook and set drill for every ball, for every oil pattern and for every release,
OR
is it more a matter of the combinaiton of the drill, the bowler's release, the bowler's ball speed and the oil pattern on which he's playing that provides the hook & set ball reaction??
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Well, in this case he was deep inside, maybe deeper than 5th arrow in the heads to 10/12 at the bp. With his high axis rotation, it looked like it allowed him to get deeper and maintain that higher axis rotation without the ball continuing on the back of the lane.

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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #5 on:** January 29, 2008, 04:36:45 AM »

For a hook/set reaction, you might go for a label drilling - even a label leverage drilling: CG in palm and the pin at 13:30 to it. just weher the pin distance allows it to end up. Not recommended for strong MB cores, but a Toxic, Vive or Neptune are fine.

The result is a very controllable, rather early and arcing reaction. The ball breaks early, has lot of midlane recovery if you drill it strong, but has a reduced back end, it might even look as if it was rolling out - it just goes very straight. Not spectacular, but works on a wide range of conditions. Very good for down-and-in shots. Another selling point for oily/spotty lanes is that the ball really gets into a roll, so that you can avoid carrydown accidents with flippier drillings.

I am not a fan of this drilling, but had a TPC Player drilled this way that was pretty versatile - sanded to 800 grit it was a good oil ball. Straight across 2nd arrow, smooth arc, but still great carry. I am now about to get an old urethane Blue Hammer with this old school setup

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charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** January 29, 2008, 05:17:42 AM »

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quote:
Is there really a hook and set drill for every ball, for every oil pattern and for every release,
OR
is it more a matter of the combinaiton of the drill, the bowler's release, the bowler's ball speed and the oil pattern on which he's playing that provides the hook & set ball reaction??
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Well, in this case he was deep inside, maybe deeper than 5th arrow in the heads to 10/12 at the bp. With his high axis rotation, it looked like it allowed him to get deeper and maintain that higher axis rotation without the ball continuing on the back of the lane.

Andrew
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Higher axis rotation has the ball going sideways, especially when it gets dry. It helps you get length, but the cover, and the core need to provide help in order for theball to have continuation and not roll out. The "set" part of "hook and set" is, I believe, what was once termed, "hook out", just before a ball rolls end over end and "rolls out". It canbe very tricky to accomplish. The original Danger Zone was famous for achieving that "state", when it hit the dry with not enough ball speed or tilt.

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agroves · « **Reply #7 on:** January 29, 2008, 05:26:06 AM »

No luck with those, always respond too early to friction and/or hit like AROD in October.

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LowRG · « **Reply #8 on:** January 29, 2008, 06:10:39 AM »

I always had luck with a pin about 4.5-5" away, and CG swung towards PAP, a lot. Something along the lines of a 5x2 layout, or 20 degrees, something like that. Gave me length and control...

charlest · « **Reply #9 on:** January 29, 2008, 09:29:30 AM »

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No luck with those, always respond too early to friction and/or hit like AROD in October.

Andrew
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Andrew,

There is no magical drill to do this. It's always a combination of factors!
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CoachLefty · « **Reply #10 on:** January 29, 2008, 09:41:29 AM »

Read Denny Torgersons article in BTM. Its on the last page or two.
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Fluff E Bunnie · « **Reply #11 on:** January 29, 2008, 09:45:47 AM »

I read one thing about putting the MB on the VAL? Am I saying this right? I was wondering about this myself.
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agroves · « **Reply #12 on:** January 29, 2008, 09:55:08 AM »

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Read Denny Torgersons article in BTM. Its on the last page or two.
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Just read that after posting this topic!

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agroves · « **Reply #13 on:** January 29, 2008, 10:02:02 AM »

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No luck with those, always respond too early to friction and/or hit like AROD in October.

Andrew
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Andrew,

There is no magical drill to do this. It's always a combination of factors!
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Now, now don't ruin my discussion with logic!

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Fluff E Bunnie · « **Reply #14 on:** January 29, 2008, 10:09:19 AM »

quote:
Is there really a hook and set drill for every ball, for every oil pattern and for every release,
OR
is it more a matter of the combination of the drill, the bowler's release, the bowler's ball speed and the oil pattern on which he's playing that provides the hook & set ball reaction??
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Edited on 1/26/2008 5:32 PM

I don't know but I want one ball that does it! Especially for tournaments or sport conditions...
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