Post by: agroves on January 25, 2008, 04:14:21 PM
I was thinking of drilling a Toxic or Vibe, or even a Neptune. Either way, I'm thinking the layout should be a hook/set or something with a 6" pin to pap and zero to slightly neg side weight.
Any luck with those layouts?
Andrew
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Post by: charlest on January 26, 2008, 06:00:43 AM
OR
is it more a matter of the combination of the drill, the bowler's release, the bowler's ball speed and the oil pattern on which he's playing that provides the hook & set ball reaction?????
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Edited on 1/26/2008 5:32 PM
Post by: abrown on January 26, 2008, 06:17:56 AM
Post by: T-GOD on January 26, 2008, 06:40:39 AM
Post by: agroves on January 26, 2008, 03:15:16 PM
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Is there really a hook and set drill for every ball, for every oil pattern and for every release,
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is it more a matter of the combinaiton of the drill, the bowler's release, the bowler's ball speed and the oil pattern on which he's playing that provides the hook & set ball reaction?????
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Well, in this case he was deep inside, maybe deeper than 5th arrow in the heads to 10/12 at the bp. With his high axis rotation, it looked like it allowed him to get deeper and maintain that higher axis rotation without the ball continuing on the back of the lane.
Andrew
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Post by: dizzyfugu on January 29, 2008, 04:36:45 AM
The result is a very controllable, rather early and arcing reaction. The ball breaks early, has lot of midlane recovery if you drill it strong, but has a reduced back end, it might even look as if it was rolling out - it just goes very straight. Not spectacular, but works on a wide range of conditions. Very good for down-and-in shots. Another selling point for oily/spotty lanes is that the ball really gets into a roll, so that you can avoid carrydown accidents with flippier drillings.
I am not a fan of this drilling, but had a TPC Player drilled this way that was pretty versatile - sanded to 800 grit it was a good oil ball. Straight across 2nd arrow, smooth arc, but still great carry. I am now about to get an old urethane Blue Hammer with this old school setup
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Post by: charlest on January 29, 2008, 05:17:42 AM
quote:quote:
Is there really a hook and set drill for every ball, for every oil pattern and for every release,
OR
is it more a matter of the combinaiton of the drill, the bowler's release, the bowler's ball speed and the oil pattern on which he's playing that provides the hook & set ball reaction?????
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Well, in this case he was deep inside, maybe deeper than 5th arrow in the heads to 10/12 at the bp. With his high axis rotation, it looked like it allowed him to get deeper and maintain that higher axis rotation without the ball continuing on the back of the lane.
Andrew
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Higher axis rotation has the ball going sideways, especially when it gets dry. It helps you get length, but the cover, and the core need to provide help in order for theball to have continuation and not roll out. The "set" part of "hook and set" is, I believe, what was once termed, "hook out", just before a ball rolls end over end and "rolls out". It canbe very tricky to accomplish. The original Danger Zone was famous for achieving that "state", when it hit the dry with not enough ball speed or tilt.
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Post by: agroves on January 29, 2008, 05:26:06 AM
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Post by: LowRG on January 29, 2008, 06:10:39 AM
Post by: charlest on January 29, 2008, 09:29:30 AM
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No luck with those, always respond too early to friction and/or hit like AROD in October.
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Andrew,
There is no magical drill to do this. It's always a combination of factors!
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Post by: CoachLefty on January 29, 2008, 09:41:29 AM
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on January 29, 2008, 09:45:47 AM
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Post by: agroves on January 29, 2008, 09:55:08 AM
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Read Denny Torgersons article in BTM. Its on the last page or two.
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Post by: agroves on January 29, 2008, 10:02:02 AM
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No luck with those, always respond too early to friction and/or hit like AROD in October.
Andrew
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Andrew,
There is no magical drill to do this. It's always a combination of factors!
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Now, now don't ruin my discussion with logic!
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on January 29, 2008, 10:09:19 AM
quote:
Is there really a hook and set drill for every ball, for every oil pattern and for every release,
OR
is it more a matter of the combination of the drill, the bowler's release, the bowler's ball speed and the oil pattern on which he's playing that provides the hook & set ball reaction?????
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Edited on 1/26/2008 5:32 PM
I don't know but I want one ball that does it! Especially for tournaments or sport conditions...
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Post by: agroves on January 29, 2008, 11:50:04 PM
My normal league was cancelled due to weather conditions. This center is located about 15 miles outside Spokane. So, I called up my coach/friend, knowing that they needed a sub tonight. I used my Bite all 3 games.
In game 3, the lanes transitioned and a torched spot developed at 10/11 board at approx 37 feet. I was able to achieve the aggressive motion with a hook stop reaction by moving left and extending my pinky finger out, thus causing the ball to read earlier and be smoother on the back. By doing so, the ball would hook and setup, holding pocket. I was able to salvage a decent series (672) even with a sub par last game.
Andrew
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Post by: chitown on January 31, 2008, 01:49:44 PM
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Is there really a hook and set drill for every ball, for every oil pattern and for every release,
OR
is it more a matter of the combination of the drill, the bowler's release, the bowler's ball speed and the oil pattern on which he's playing that provides the hook & set ball reaction?????
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Edited on 1/26/2008 5:32 PM
Charlest I usually get that type of hoot set reaction with low degree layouts and further pin to pap locations. Basically like a 5 by 2 layout.
Of course this all depends on the factors you mentioned above.
Edited on 1/31/2008 2:50 PM
Post by: agroves on February 01, 2008, 11:21:18 AM
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