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Doug Sterner

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House Shot League Arsenal....Opinions
« on: February 02, 2009, 01:06:23 PM »
I have been doing a lot of thinking here lately about setting up a 4 ball arsenal (plus plastic) for league next year and I think I have come up with a great experiment.

I am going to take 4 of the same ball (a budget ball actually) with various pin distances and layouts.

My thoughts are to take 4 mild cored, solid resin covered balls like Purple/ Black Power Grooves or Red/Black Bashes, blue/green Jazz's or similar with these layouts.....

#1....5-1/2 x 5 pin high
#2....4x4 stacked
#3....2x4
#4....5x4 pin under

What are your thoughts on layouts and surface prep? See my profile for personal stats and normal house conditions.
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Re: House Shot League Arsenal....Opinions
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2009, 09:17:23 PM »
Try getting Razyrs or Vibes? and using those layouts, i will try this someday once i get enough funding, great idea,

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Re: House Shot League Arsenal....Opinions
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2009, 09:17:57 PM »
try using X-Holes too

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Re: House Shot League Arsenal....Opinions
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2009, 09:18:52 PM »
Doug I responded to your reply in the other thread.

If you can get a hold of 4 Blue Vibes it would work great for your experiment.  The BV in box condition works pretty well on light oil patterns.  When the cover is brought down to say 1000 grit it works very well on heavier conditions.  If you can't find anymore BV's the go with the Cherry Vibe.

I also suggest drilling two of the 4 balls with the same exact layout.  This way you can have one of them dull and the other polished.  I would use your favorite layout for this.  Then drill the other two with different layouts.

I have done this experiment on a few different bowling balls and had very good success.  

Raw Hammer Doom (4 ball arsenal)

Blue Vibe (3 ball arsenal)

No Mercy (3 ball arsenal)

I suggest not using a strong heavy oil type ball for this experiment.  The heavy oil type balls don't work very well on the lighter conditions even when polished.

Hope this helps.




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Re: House Shot League Arsenal....Opinions
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2009, 09:21:33 PM »
The only problem with using Vibes is the pearl covers....solids are a bit more versatile...now if the Blue Viber were still in production

Yeah x holes will be needed in layouts #2, 3 and 4 most likely.

Yes chitown I had figured on using budget type balls....in fact our house conditions lend themselves to the "budget" balls better than high performance stuff. I was seriously considering the red/ black Bash or the Purple/Black PowerGroove, Jazz, Tropical Storm or Street Rod.


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Re: House Shot League Arsenal....Opinions
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2009, 09:34:36 PM »
I see where your heart is at Doug, but I will play devil's advocate.  I think that surface is by far the most important aspect of ball motion.  If you have 4 balls with identical coverstocks, you will have very limited midlane options.  I know you can make surface tweaks, but you will have very little overall difference down the lane.  I think you'd be better served going the exact opposite route.  Drill 4 different balls from the same company with the same layout, but different core/cover combos.

That's just my .02
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Re: House Shot League Arsenal....Opinions
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2009, 09:35:34 PM »
Doug-
  You may want to consider the Pluto for your experiment also.  IMO, it can handle quite a bit of oil with the right layout and surface.  It can also do the same for lighter volumes (not dry).  It's a very versatile, budget priced solid reactive that I think would be perfect for you.

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Re: House Shot League Arsenal....Opinions
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2009, 02:23:49 PM »
Maybe something from the Ogre line?
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Re: House Shot League Arsenal....Opinions
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2009, 09:53:21 PM »
I can see where you are coming from Russell. This is why I was thinking of using a fairly benign coverstock like the PK 18 derivative on the PowerGrooves for my experiment.

Again it's just an experiment and I figured I can get like 4 PG's for around $250 shipped....

Besides I'd love to spank some guys in league that belong to the "buy the ball of the month but have no clue how to throw it" club using what is typically classified as a kids or woman's ball :-)

Any more opinions guys? How about teh layouts? Are they good for such an experiemtn? What should I change?

I AM going to do this...just need to iron out the kinks.

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Re: House Shot League Arsenal....Opinions
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2009, 10:13:58 PM »
Take 4 of the same line all Ogre.....that's pretty much what I do.  Ogre Particle, use a Solid Glad here, Ogre Pearl and SS Ogre.....covers a gamut of lane conditions.  Cheap to boot.

Being that you have different surfaces and covers you have everything covered.
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Re: House Shot League Arsenal....Opinions
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2009, 11:01:42 PM »
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Re: House Shot League Arsenal....Opinions
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2009, 11:05:12 PM »
Instead of making a "league arsenal" why not just take a mid range ball like a Hy-Road, knock off the polish say to 4000 grit and bowl with that and a plastic?

If you bowl on house shots, what's the point of carrying more than 3 including plastic?

If you're set on doing all the same ball, I would suggest putting close to the same drill on each one, and just altering the surface.  Maybe 4000, 2000, 1000.  

Doug you've been around long enough to know ball react pretty close to the same on a house shot anyways, so at least the different surfaces would give you an early, longer, longest look.
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Re: House Shot League Arsenal....Opinions
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2009, 12:48:34 AM »
i think you have the right idea doug with the right ball this would be a good experiment. cant wait to see a post of your findings

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Re: House Shot League Arsenal....Opinions
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2009, 04:18:40 AM »
Doug,

FYI The Power Grooves are PK 17 in general.

If you decide to use balls like the pG and the Jazz there's one thing you should note. Since they are derivatives of the pancake core (they are no longer pancakes, as they have plenty of flare), there seems to be one factor that still in effect. If you put the pin on the track side of the center of the grip, it will raise your track slightly to a lot. I have one PG with the pin under the middle finger and its track is raised about 1" from my normal track. Since my normal PAP is 5" over this is not a problem. It could depending on how high your track is with high flaring balls.

As far as surface goes, you should add the Power Groove Black and Purple model, since that is solid PK17. All the others are pearl, as far as I know.

As far as the Jazz goes, I understand they are actually Solid Super-Flex, not pearlized! Keep those ideas in mind. I think they'll help.

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Re: House Shot League Arsenal....Opinions
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2009, 05:12:37 AM »
to Doug's post the only ball that comes to mind with this particular experiment is the TANTRUM (u get more bang for your buck).


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