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footerson

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? on drilling and nvs
« on: August 11, 2007, 11:26:15 AM »
i just got my new NVS  3.5 oz topweight and a 5 in pin.   and i was tlaking it over with my driller and he said that it would be hard to get it to hook early which is what i wanted it for and he said that with it being a 5 in pin that it will need a huge balance hole that might not be able to take out all the side weight needed to make it legal and i was wondering if anyone on here knows of any way to get it to do what i wanted without puting a balance hole that takes up half  of the ball

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Re: ? on drilling and nvs
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2007, 01:22:35 AM »
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Cobalt Bomb

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Re: ? on drilling and nvs
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2007, 07:49:02 AM »
The 5" pin and relatively high topweight limit your options. Depending on your ball's cg placement relative to a line from the pin to the mb, the best drilling for this ball would probably be pin over bridge. That would keep the CG near the center of grip and the balance hole size manageable.That is not an early rolling drilling, however.
Depending on your axis measurements, you may be able to place the pin slightly above and next to the ring finger and put the balance hole in a flare increasing position below the axis, on the VAL, but it will be a large hole. That may accomplish what you seek.
The best option overall may be to get a ball with lower top and a shorter pin distance.
Hope this helps.
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mrbowlingnut

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Re: ? on drilling and nvs
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2007, 07:55:35 AM »
Send the ball back and get a 2-3 pin or pay a fee to your driller to send back to his distributor to exchange it.

If your driller tells you that he cannot, he is lying they all do it all the time with there suppliers, i have swapped out bad specs stuff at least 10 times.

Edited on 8/12/2007 8:45 AM
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Re: ? on drilling and nvs
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2007, 08:16:02 AM »
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Send the ball back and get a 2-3 pin or pay a fee to your driller to send back to his distributor to exchange it.

If he tells he he cannot he is lying they all do it all the time with there suppliers, i have swapped out bad specs stuff at least 10 times.


  I agree. and if your driller refuses, I am sure there is an ebonite guy on here somewhere that would be glad to help you out.  After all, the last thing any company wants is bad PR from an unsatisfied customer, especially when it is such an easy fix.
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Re: ? on drilling and nvs
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2007, 10:13:01 AM »
I can tell you how not to drill it!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11381193@N08/1093456310/in/set-72157601386822570/

LOL!  That ball was 5.5" pin and 3.5 oz top - I don't know if I was able to make that ball legal.  Of course I screwed up the layout and ended up with the CG too far to the right.  

If you keep the CG closer to grip center you shouldn't have any problems getting it legal, but you may have a sizable weight hole.

Maybe if you drill it with a little bit of negative side you might get it roll earlier (not trying to start anything with the CG folks, just going by what bowlingball.com and Ebonite have said about "general" reactions)

http://www.bowlingball.com/info/what_is_center_of_gravity.html

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Positive and negative side weights have effects on when and how much the ball will hook. A ball with positive side weight will hook later and hook more. A ball with negative side weight will hook sooner and hook less.


Sounds to me like you ended up with an X-out.  I don't know if your driller will be able to help as far as getting another ball with better specs, unless he ordered it for you.  From my experience with the V2 Sweet, none of the drillers wanted to touch it.  They all told me they could drill it, but unless I had a particular reaction or condition I was looking for that I probably wouldn't be happy with it on a THS.
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footerson

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Re: ? on drilling and nvs
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2007, 02:48:02 PM »
alright guys thanks ill try some of this
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Re: ? on drilling and nvs
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2007, 03:36:20 PM »
I have to ask, if you wanted it for hook 'early', why did you order/get a 5 in pin ? Where did you buy this ball? If you got it from your pro shop, didn't you tell them what you wanted it to do ?

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footerson

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Re: ? on drilling and nvs
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2007, 01:00:50 AM »
i got if off bowling.com and i figured they woudl jsut send me a 2-3 inch pin i thought it was like the regular one and u had to ask for something else
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High Score:296 i no i choked
High Series:766
arsenal: total nv, black widow, smokin inferno, vapor zone, and the spare ball
450plus revs:
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gotta hate the 9 pin
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JohnP

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Re: ? on drilling and nvs
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2007, 10:29:54 AM »
Discuss this with your driller.  Lay the ball out with a 2" pin to PAP and the cg close to grip center, being sure to keep the pin in the safe zone (unless you're a low tracker, have no idea since you haven't given us a PAP location in your post or profile).  When you throw the ball, if it still breaks later than you want it to, take the surface down in steps until you hit the right combination.  --  JohnP
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Re: ? on drilling and nvs
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2007, 10:34:14 AM »
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Discuss this with your driller.  Lay the ball out with a 2" pin to PAP and the cg close to grip center, being sure to keep the pin in the safe zone (unless you're a low tracker, have no idea since you haven't given us a PAP location in your post or profile).  When you throw the ball, if it still breaks later than you want it to, take the surface down in steps until you hit the right combination.  --  JohnP


Great idea if the ball didn't have any asymmetry, but doing this layout would push the MB into the track area on the NVS. Something that Ebonite wouldn't recommend.
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Re: ? on drilling and nvs
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2007, 11:01:21 AM »
Never assume anything when it comes to online shops..Sometimes you'll order a 2-3" and get a 5" pin..Always specify what you want...  

I got our son this ball with a 2-3" pin think it's just above 2oz. top weight.. drillers dream.. We're getting it punched up tonight.. Can't wait to see how this ball performs..
I've never rolled one, seen the NV alot, now lets see how it compares to that..  

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Re: ? on drilling and nvs
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2007, 11:26:24 AM »
[channeling]
This Is What Happens When You Don't Go To Your Local Pro shops.  Online Shops Don't Have Any Way To Specify what Kind of Specs You want And Will Send Bad Specs To the First Sucker Who Doesn't Ask for Something specific.  The Only Way TO Get a Ball That Will Work For Your Game Is to Go to Your Local shop.
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Online Shops Are The way To GO.  They Already Provide dirlling Service.  Just Hold Your Hand up To your Screen and THey Will Measure It.
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footerson

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Re: ? on drilling and nvs
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2007, 03:16:41 PM »
Thanks.  from now on i'm saying what i want when i order the ball
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High Score:296 i no i choked
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arsenal: total nv, black widow, smokin inferno, vapor zone, and the spare ball
450plus revs:
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JohnP

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Re: ? on drilling and nvs
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2007, 03:34:50 PM »
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Great idea if the ball didn't have any asymmetry, but doing this layout would push the MB into the track area on the NVS. Something that Ebonite wouldn't recommend.


You're right, I had symmetric in mind.  I know better!  Duh  --  JohnP
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