Author Topic: i need something like this (Read 3560 times)

APheLion · « **on:** June 22, 2008, 01:08:43 AM »

i need more control on my balls, im bowling on a short pattern with carry down most of the time, so i need to stay in the pocket.

i found out that im better when i bowl with a ball that moves little, very smooth off the dry, predictability and hardhitting is what im looking for.

i have an equation, cg in palm ping high above fingers(maybe about 5 inches) with a x hole near axis (near cuz i havent checked my pap for a while)

since the equation is 16 lbs and its not a comfortable fit, with the ball crackin and all the stuff, im lookin to drill another one.

what do i need? im i looking for a low RG and low diff? so its very rolly but smooth when it hits the dry

should i still put the pin 5 inches from pap and xhole in the axis?
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abrown · « **Reply #1 on:** June 22, 2008, 09:44:22 AM »

try a plain night hawk with a lable drilling take it up to 4000 or a pluto with a generic drilling there both extremly smooth balls if you go with pearl you may get a stronger jump then what you may want.
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FastTracker33 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 22, 2008, 09:49:48 AM »

For me, smooth and rolly is my AMF Orbit Xtreme Solid. The ball comes polished out of the box, but I just use it til the polish comes off. It's laid out with the pin high and 4" from my PAP, CG 2" from my PAP, then a weight hole to keep it legal (I think? lol).. The ball works great on smoothing out shots. When there's carrydown, I like to play more direct with it so I can get some better carry, too. Overall.. I love this ball.
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don coyote · « **Reply #3 on:** June 22, 2008, 10:00:36 AM »

Look for a brunswick RED ZONE. They are really cheap and hit hard. I would try drilling the pin above the bridge with the bias stacked underneath. That drilling with that ball is very smooth and predictable. I keep mine at 4000 abralon with light polish. I love this ball on sport shots. I have another NIB in my garage just in case. This works for me. check with your local pro shop GOOD LUCK !!!

novawagonmaster · « **Reply #4 on:** June 22, 2008, 10:06:42 AM »

My rico'd Creature fits your description.
Worked like a charm on the Cheetah pattern (35-feet).
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charlest · « **Reply #5 on:** June 22, 2008, 11:47:00 AM »

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My rico'd Creature fits your description.
Worked like a charm on the Cheetah pattern (35-feet).
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This type of drilling, and several others, are needed, if you want "more control". 5" pin-PAP distances, above the bridge will definitely not give it to you. That is a flippier drilling. If your PAP allows it, put the pin 4.5"-5.5" or 1.5" - 2" from PAP and below the level of the bridge area.

" am i looking for a low RG and low diff?"
No, why do you say that? You're looking for a ball to handle the amount of oil that you're now facing. You have not mentioned the amount yet, that I have seen. There are plenty of balls around and most can be drilled to help control the backend and the amount of hook.

I'd suggest a solid but I have little idea except that you say you're using an Equation, but you don't indicate how it's reacting.

The Orbit Extreme solid could work, depending on whether that's actually the type of ball you need.
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APheLion · « **Reply #6 on:** June 22, 2008, 03:26:00 PM »

the reason why i mentioned low RG and low diff is cuz my equation does that, rolls a lot but doesnt flare and hook much.

right now, my track is getting closer and closer to the finger and thumb holes, sometimes it even hits the holes. so im getting my pap near 4 1/2 over.

btw, im bowling on very light oil, flat, no much friction on the outside, definitely a harder house shot that requires consistency and quick adjustments. unless i can adjust my game to a 150 rpm and lots of side roll to stay outside, a straight compact game is my best bet.

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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment

When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.

dizzyfugu · « **Reply #7 on:** June 23, 2008, 04:56:33 AM »

Another coverstock option that might be helpful is a light particle load ball, maybe even a particle pearl. These, with a shiny surface, offer good length through the heads as long as there is some oil left, but good and controllable traction at the break point. A candidate that comes to my kind is Brunswick's Sidewinder (or, even better, an older Ambush with a higher RG and true pearl coverstock base). The OOB XXcel from Ebonite would have been another (yet very strong) option. Lanemasters surely has also something to offer in this category, but I do not know the balls well enough to dare a recommendation.

For a drilling, I'd also go for a pin-in ball and set the pin under your fingers, to prevent it from being too nervous on the backend. Not knowing your PAP, I'd suggest a pin to PAP distance of 4" (if you play with higher speed) to 5" (if you play slow and/or with more hand) - nothing fancy. Shoudl result in a rather arcing reaction that is supported by the particle coverstock.

Good luck, though, because finding the right and effective compromise between hook and length on such a condition is not easy - but you still have surface tuning as an option to influence the ball''s reaction once it is punched up.
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Juggernaut · « **Reply #8 on:** June 23, 2008, 06:59:33 AM »

For me, a ball drilled with a shorter pin-to-pap works well on this type condition, IF I have decent head oil.

I always kept one of these in my bag back when I did quite a few tournaments and still have an older ball with a 2 X 2 drilling. Real rolly for me and I can tell you where it is going virtually everytime. Great ball when predictability is better than raw power.

As far as the cover goes, I'd have to agree with charlest, it should be whatever matches the amount of oil you have. I've had good luck with several different coverstocks done this way, from a polished granite gargoyle drilled 2 X 0, an old Nitro/R drilled 1 X 2, and a pin in Nitro/R2 drilled with pin and cg about 2 1/2 from pap, I have had GREAT success.

For me, solid coverstocks seem to give the best control. You can finish them at any surface you need, from polished to very dull, they just seem to give a much smoother, predictable read than pearlized coverstocks. I have had good results with pearlized balls, just not as much as I have had with solid coverstocks.
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charlest · « **Reply #9 on:** June 23, 2008, 07:32:30 AM »

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the reason why i mentioned low RG and low diff is cuz my equation does that, rolls a lot but doesnt flare and hook much.

It's also a strongish pearl meant for medium-light to medium oil.

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right now, my track is getting closer and closer to the finger and thumb holes, sometimes it even hits the holes. so im getting my pap near 4 1/2 over.

If you're getting close to the holes on both fingers, then you're close to a 6" PAP, nowhere near a 4.5" one.

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btw, im bowling on very light oil, flat, no much friction on the outside, definitely a harder house shot that requires consistency and quick adjustments. unless i can adjust my game to a 150 rpm and lots of side roll to stay outside, a straight compact game is my best bet.
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I'd suggest a weaker solid or an even rolling pearl (this usuually requires a control drill).
A Blue/Green Centaur would be almost ideal if you can find one.
A Slate Blue Gargoyle (a pearlized urethane with a real core) would also work well.
I'd also suggest the Orbit Extreme pearl, rather than a the solid, which is stronger, a medium oil ball.
A polished Pluto is another option, as well as the Brunswick Avalanche solid.
The Ebonite Bash Red/Black, a very mild solid, is also a candidate.

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APheLion · « **Reply #10 on:** June 25, 2008, 01:49:04 AM »

will a jolt solid do the job?
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment

When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.

Spartan · « **Reply #11 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:01:30 AM »

the jolt, IMO, will be too flippy out of the box. it would have to have the polish knocked off, and possibly have the grit changed. to what, i don't know, because i don't know exactly what kind of oil and carrydown you face.

my ball of choice here would be a Visionary Blue/Green Centaur. very smooth, very controllable. due to the strong cover, it can handle some carrydown. but, because of the lower flaring core, it can push through dry heads.
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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #12 on:** June 25, 2008, 03:17:15 AM »

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will a jolt solid do the job?

IMHO not a bad choice, but I'd also be careful with a shiny surface - unless you try the Jolt Particle, which would also be an option, but sureky not at OOB finish. The solid, at a fine grit surface, could be a serious option, though, as well as the solid Power Groove (which was intended as a control piece when it was announced some time ago).
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AngloBowler · « **Reply #13 on:** June 25, 2008, 05:27:12 AM »

I've got a Jolt solid with a 2" pin-PAP, which is the epitome of rolly and smooth on the dry. really good on short oil/wet dries. doesn't cope very well with carrydown (currently at a light polish)
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APheLion · « **Reply #14 on:** June 25, 2008, 03:07:43 PM »

alrite, thanks for the replies, if ASB Joe sends me the ball soon enough, i'll be able to drill it
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment

When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.

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