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BAPS_Eric

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Importance of Layout verses Surface....
« on: February 04, 2005, 05:23:10 AM »
Since I have started working in our pro-shop I have noticed something very common......BOWLERS WANT ME TO GIVE THEM HOOK!!!!  LOL! Sorry but I can't do that.....only the bowler can physically release the ball right and put it on the right line for the ball to do what we drilled it up to do....but see where does surface play in to effect here???  Most bowlers don't realize that 85% of the time you can get the reaction desired by changing the surface of the ball....not the drilling....ever have someone come in and say "Well I can't bowl with anything but shiny balls...."....So why are they shiny in the first place???  Most just likes the looks of a shiny ball going down the lane....some know that polish affects length and backend snap but not many.....even when I try and educate them on the issue they appartently know more than I do cause they say "I have bowled this way for years and it has always worked for me so I am sticking with it....you don't know what your talking about" I just laugh and say whatever.....now how many bowlers you got like this or am I just a isolated individual here
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Re: Importance of Layout verses Surface....
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2005, 03:07:49 PM »
Here is a situation for you...

I have a Track Animal Untamed drilled with the pin just to the right of ring (I'd guess about 3.5" - 4" from PAP...see profile for PAP) with the MB just to the right of my thumb (I'm right handed).  On my normal house shot, in box condition, which Track calls MegaSmooth (about 1500), I liked the length that I got out of it but the ball was very squirty and inconsistent off the break point.  I hit the cover with blue scotchbrite pad (about 1000) and the ball became very consistent at the break point however it lost the length that I liked from the box condition.  

Now what should I do?  

Should I hit it with a 1200 grit abrasive which would give me a little bit of both length and smoothness at the break?  Or, should I leave it at 1000 and have it redrilled to go longer, giving me more length from the drilling and smoothness that I desire from the surface condition?  Or, is there something else you might suggest that I try?
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Re: Importance of Layout verses Surface....
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2005, 03:31:55 PM »
Just a thought. Bathe it in Doc's Magic Elixir, which is oil repellant by my experimentations. That way, you get just that extra bit of length, without really having to change what you currently like about the ball!! Just my 2cents.
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Re: Importance of Layout verses Surface....
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2005, 07:17:42 PM »
VT_Turkey,

Before a redrill, I'd play with the coverstock prep. again. Its cheaper than a redrill and reversable.

Another possible option could be to tweak the balance hole.  You have to have side weight to play with, but a bigger hole makes the ball roll earlier.  You could also move the hole off PAP to give the ball more flare and thus roll.  The balance hole tweaks are only fine-tuning, bit it sounds as if that is what you are looking for.
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Re: Importance of Layout verses Surface....
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2005, 07:25:08 PM »
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Just a thought. Bathe it in Doc's Magic Elixir, which is oil repellant by my experimentations. That way, you get just that extra bit of length, without really having to change what you currently like about the ball!! Just my 2cents.
docs doesnt affect reaction at all. It just keeps the ball from soaking up oil into the coverstock.
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Re: Importance of Layout verses Surface....
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2005, 09:26:08 PM »
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docs doesnt affect reaction at all. It just keeps the ball from soaking up oil into the coverstock.
 

Oh yes it does..... For some people with style and revs like myself on shinnier balls it causes the ball to over shoot the break point plus lose strength at attacking carrydown and spotty backends.
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Re: Importance of Layout verses Surface....
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2005, 10:54:00 AM »
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Since I have started working in our pro-shop I have noticed something very common......BOWLERS WANT ME TO GIVE THEM HOOK!!!! LOL! Sorry but I can't do that . . .


BAPS_Eric -- I see the same thing all the time.  Most are not concerned about whether a ball will help them improve, just whether it will hook more than what they're using.  The one ball I've sold that has never disappointed in this regard is the Lane 1 Super Carbide Bomb.  It has outhooked everything I've compared it to (although, admittedly, a fairly small sampling).  The most recent ball was compared to the AZO Action Carbide and to the Killer Instinct Sanded, and beat them both hands down.  WARNING:  Be careful.  If the lanes to be played don't have fairly heavy oil, don't sell it.  And if the bowler doesn't have good revs and speed, don't sell it.  --  JohnP
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Re: Importance of Layout verses Surface....
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2005, 02:47:33 PM »
Turkey, try taking the entire ball to 1200, then throw it once just to get the flare lines on the ball. Then hit the last few flare lines with 1000 by hand. That way the ball has the length you want but when the ball gets to the backend the last few flares will be at 1000.
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Re: Importance of Layout verses Surface....
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2005, 02:58:22 PM »
VT_Turkey

I would play with the direction of your surface changes for small tweaks to the length.

Go perpendicular to the track for reduced length
Parallel to the track for increased length
Place the bowtie of the track flare at the top of the spinner for increased movement when the ball starts to flare.

http://www.bowling-info.com/index.php?template=when%20to%20resurface
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Re: Importance of Layout verses Surface....
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2005, 12:24:32 AM »
Elixir caused more length and did often over shoot the breakpoint when I tried it. I just feel anything put on the surface of a ball is going to cause a difference.
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Re: Importance of Layout verses Surface....
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2005, 12:53:01 AM »
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Elixir caused more length and did often over shoot the breakpoint when I tried it. I just feel anything put on the surface of a ball is going to cause a difference.  

Same here.
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