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JustinWi

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DuoGrip is an innovative bowling ball drilling method that allows for 2 layouts to be implemented in the same bowling ball. This method results in an approx 1" difference in pin to PAP distance, while minimally impacting feel. An advantage is allowing you to keep the same cover in your hand, while tweaking the ball motion shape and angle of entry.

This method is legal under current USBC rules, and is compatible with inserts and balance holes.

The system will work for many players, however there will be unique fit cases where the technique doesn't work.

For more information, see www.facebook.com/duogripbowling

 

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Re: Introducing DuoGrip: 2 layouts in 1 ball for thumb using bowlers
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2016, 04:39:22 PM »
Okay, I've been following this on Facebook. A lot of discussion, a little controversy. Can't wait to see how it develops here.:)
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Re: Introducing DuoGrip: 2 layouts in 1 ball for thumb using bowlers
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2016, 10:25:46 AM »
THIS IS GARBAGE AND UNFAIR TO ALL NO THUMB BOWLERS! Using a thumb is CHEATING and this is just another dirty cheating layout for these thumb users.

There now all of you thumb bowlers know how us no thumb or two handed bowlers feel. (add being lefty to the mix and it's even worse.)

Pretty cool layout, thanks for the share.

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Re: Introducing DuoGrip: 2 layouts in 1 ball for thumb using bowlers
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2016, 12:08:30 PM »


The system will work for many players, however there will be unique fit cases where the technique doesn't work.


Such as oval thumb users(like myself). I tried something like this a few years back, and couldn't release cleanly with the second grip. If you have a round thumb, though, this should work fine.


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Re: Introducing DuoGrip: 2 layouts in 1 ball for thumb using bowlers
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2016, 12:42:20 PM »
I use an iT. So I could create a different thumb for the 2nd layout. Throw in iFingers, and boom. Perfect fit on both layouts.

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Re: Introducing DuoGrip: 2 layouts in 1 ball for thumb using bowlers
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2016, 12:52:12 PM »
THIS IS GARBAGE AND UNFAIR TO ALL NO THUMB BOWLERS! Using a thumb is CHEATING and this is just another dirty cheating layout for these thumb users.

There now all of you thumb bowlers know how us no thumb or two handed bowlers feel. (add being lefty to the mix and it's even worse.)

Pretty cool layout, thanks for the share.

No Thumb bowlers have a layout that can give them 6 options on one ball:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzceLRVD-QE


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Re: Introducing DuoGrip: 2 layouts in 1 ball for thumb using bowlers
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2016, 02:40:39 PM »
No need to make it more complex than it has to be with 2 IT and other things.

I have a 58* oval, 3/8" forward and 1/8 left. I clear both no problem. It is all in the drilling procedure.

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Re: Introducing DuoGrip: 2 layouts in 1 ball for thumb using bowlers
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2016, 08:11:14 PM »
Great idea. I used to drill for a no thumber where I would drill 3 holes pretty much in a triangle that resulted in a 4 1/2" pin next to the ring. shifting it one way would make it an almost 6 1/2" pin high for the breakdown, and the other shift would make it like a 6" pin under layout.

The guy quit bowling but had good success with the 3 balls I drilled him and a lot of 300s.

This is cool, but what about a high track guy like me that's 5 1/4 -> x 3/4 ^ ? Is there a way to not get it to thump the hole left of the middle?

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Re: Introducing DuoGrip: 2 layouts in 1 ball for thumb using bowlers
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2016, 09:46:19 PM »
THIS IS GARBAGE AND UNFAIR TO ALL NO THUMB BOWLERS! Using a thumb is CHEATING and this is just another dirty cheating layout for these thumb users.

There now all of you thumb bowlers know how us no thumb or two handed bowlers feel. (add being lefty to the mix and it's even worse.)

Pretty cool layout, thanks for the share.


No Thumb bowlers have a layout that can give them 6 options on one ball:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzceLRVD-QE

Yes, I'm aware, my post was actually a direct response to what I heard from thumb bowlers when discussing that layout.

Personally I don't find these types of layouts to be much more of a novelty for me and my game but it's cool that there are folks pushing the envelope.

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Re: Introducing DuoGrip: 2 layouts in 1 ball for thumb using bowlers
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2016, 09:49:06 PM »
A stronger pin placement will help, the ball flares away from the grip, so if it hits a hole, it would only be for a revolution or 2.

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Re: Introducing DuoGrip: 2 layouts in 1 ball for thumb using bowlers
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2016, 09:56:46 PM »
If I was no inserts I would definitely try it again. But I have the best fit I've ever had in 10 years and I don't want to deviate from it too much.

Good video, I wonder how far this will go. Especially for the group of elite two handers that use their thumbhole also. Seems like an awesome way to get through transition.

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Re: Introducing DuoGrip: 2 layouts in 1 ball for thumb using bowlers
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2016, 05:32:05 PM »

DuoGrip is an innovative bowling ball drilling method that allows for 2 layouts to be implemented in the same bowling ball. This method results in an approx 1" difference in pin to PAP distance, while minimally impacting feel. An advantage is allowing you to keep the same cover in your hand, while tweaking the ball motion shape and angle of entry.

This method is legal under current USBC rules, and is compatible with inserts and balance holes.

The system will work for many players, however there will be unique fit cases where the technique doesn't work.

For more information, see www.facebook.com/duogripbowling

I thought you must be able to demonstrate that you can put your fingers in all of the finger holes at the same time?

ALSO - my track is high, likely to hit the LEFT finger hole if i was using center and right...

NOTE:  Not trying to diss your system, in fact I would like to be able to have the capacity to change ball motion like that - just wondering if there is a key to making it work for high track bowlers?

Cheers,

JustinWi

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Re: Introducing DuoGrip: 2 layouts in 1 ball for thumb using bowlers
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2016, 05:47:18 PM »
So far no one has hit the hole. As the rule reads you have to demonstrate they can be used as gripping holes, but you aren't required to use them every delivery.

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Re: Introducing DuoGrip: 2 layouts in 1 ball for thumb using bowlers
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2016, 10:38:45 AM »
Here's the rule, from the Equipment Specifications Manual:

"Holes or indentations for gripping purposes shall not exceed five and shall be limited to one for each finger and one for the thumb, all for the same hand. The player is not required to use all of the finger holes in any specific delivery, but they must be able to demonstrate, with the same hand, that each hole can be used simultaneously for gripping purposes. Any thumb hole that is not used with the thumb inserted during the approach would be classified as a balance hole."

With the Duo Grip you should be able to grip with the index, middle, and ring fingers at the same time well enough to throw a few shots.  --  JohnP