Author Topic: Layouts for a complete arsenal (Read 3375 times)

Doug Sterner · « **on:** July 09, 2005, 05:39:45 AM »

Just doing some thinking about my upcoming arsenal revamping. My question is this....

What drill patterns should I be considering? I know what I want to do but I want to see if my thougths coincide with the popular thinking.

I am planning on a 6 ball arsenal consisting of teh following:

1 hard urethane for spares and toasted lanes
2 pearl resins
2 solid resins
1 dull particle

Opinions please!!!!!
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
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stanski · « **Reply #1 on:** July 09, 2005, 03:30:30 PM »

pearl urethane-label
1st pearl-high rg drilling, pin 5 inches from axis above ring line
2nd- lower rg drilling, pin 4 inches from axis and below finger line
1st solid- pin 1 1/2 inches from axis
2nd solid-label leverage
dull particle-pin leverage, mb on val

Obviously, there are many other variables to consider, but using balls that would optomize the look we want with each drill pattern would be something i would look for.

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stanski

Doug Sterner · « **Reply #2 on:** July 09, 2005, 08:48:35 PM »

Here's what I am thinking.....

Urethane ball....Grey Angle (yeah I know but it works well)
Pearl Uranium or H2O...5-1/2 x 4 pin high
Shock & Awe...4" pin, strong mass bias
Ravage...4" pin, strong mass bias
Solid Uranium or Total Shock & Awe...2-1/2 x 4
Super Carbide Bomb...4x4

I have a few others I plan on keeping around for house shots and such.... Pioneer drilled 3-3/8 x 5-3/4
Super Carbide...5x4

But I think that the 6 I have listed should work VERY well.

Opinions?
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Although a small elite group, the bond among fellows can never be broken...FOS members rejoice!

stanski · « **Reply #3 on:** July 10, 2005, 10:53:58 AM »

quote:
Here's what I am thinking.....

Urethane ball....Grey Angle (yeah I know but it works well)
Pearl Uranium or H2O...5-1/2 x 4 pin high
Shock & Awe...4" pin, strong mass bias
Ravage...4" pin, strong mass bias
Solid Uranium or Total Shock & Awe...2-1/2 x 4
Super Carbide Bomb...4x4

I have a few others I plan on keeping around for house shots and such.... Pioneer drilled 3-3/8 x 5-3/4
Super Carbide...5x4

But I think that the 6 I have listed should work VERY well.

Opinions?
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Although a small elite group, the bond among fellows can never be broken...FOS members rejoice!

Looks good, however, remember to familiarize yourself with how morich cores work. For some reason, I've read here multiple times that the ball flares just as much at 5 inches as 4 from the pap, but that it flares in a "different" way. Not exactly sure how this works, so you'll have to ask around about this. You might want to just take the easy road too and fill out one of those "how to drill" sheets at morich's website, they'll give you good information if you know your game well (which I'm sure you know all the numbers of your game seeing as you're a pro shop owner).
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stanski

Next Level PS · « **Reply #4 on:** July 10, 2005, 11:15:19 AM »

I'll take a shot at this, Doug what is your profile?

PAP
tilt
rotation
speed
rev rate
lane surface you play on
and span

are you playing on sports/pba shots with any of these balls
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Edited on 7/10/2005 11:11 AM

omegabowler · « **Reply #5 on:** July 10, 2005, 11:23:09 AM »

I have tried several methods of building arsenals.

right now I am going along this path:

3 arc type symetrical balls with pin at 5-7/8th's. pin down. cg about 3/4 of kicked out.
these are more contraollable and will cover most lanes for me. makes a nice generic 4 ball arsenal that will keep me from getting shut out. I may not win but I might cash.

- Desert heat
- heat
- asenal agressive

2 balls pin up. 4" to 4.5 pin from pap. just for another look on the lane to increase scoring potential
- 1 light load or peal particle
- 1 reactive (low RG if pearl)

3 special balls. along eith the first 3 give me a nice 6 ball.
- strong particle. maybe aysmetrical
- dry lane ball. DRY/R
- Blue dot for spares

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Doug Sterner · « **Reply #6 on:** July 10, 2005, 09:21:20 PM »

L1B asks...Instead of Grey Angle, why not XXXL?
One reason and one reason only....I have a grey angle and don't have a XXXL

As for my game....

PAP.....5-1/4 right up 1/2
tilt...about 60 degrees
rotation
speed...15-17 mph
rev rate...average...I'd say about 325
lane surface you play on...mostly older wood
and span... 4-1/8 x 4-3/16 full grip with Turbo Quad 4 , lip side

My experience thus far with Mo's stuff has been positive. A Vanguard ball with 2-1/4 pin to PAP allegedly rolls VERY close to a 5-1/2" pin over bridge ball from other companies. Must have something to do with the hole in the core :-)

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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
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Edited on 7/10/2005 9:17 PM

Next Level PS · « **Reply #7 on:** July 10, 2005, 11:52:24 PM »

Thanks Doug for the info.

I would do the SCB with a 4.5-5" layout with the pin 3-3.5 above the midline. with this lower rg and super high diff ball with high particle load this thing needs some serious oil to match up well on.

the rest looks good i would doulble check your tilt..60 degree looks a little high that means your track diameter is like 8".

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stanski · « **Reply #8 on:** July 11, 2005, 12:00:02 AM »

quote:

the rest looks good i would doulble check your tilt..60 degree looks a little high that means your track diameter is like 8".

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I think he might have screwed up and put axis tilt in place of axis rotation, seeing as how he left the latter blank.
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charlest · « **Reply #9 on:** July 11, 2005, 07:53:01 AM »

quote:
quote:
Here's what I am thinking.....
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Shock & Awe...4" pin, strong mass bias
Ravage...4" pin, strong mass bias
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Opinions?
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Doug Sterner

Looks good, however, remember to familiarize yourself with how Morich cores work. For some reason, I've read here multiple times that the ball flares just as much at 5 inches as 4 from the pap, but that it flares in a "different" way. Not exactly sure how this works, so you'll have to ask around about this.
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stanski

Mo's and, I'm about 99% sure, Del Warren's asymmetric cores max out their flare whenever the pin is 3 3/8" to 6" from the bowler's PAP.
Pin positions in the 3 3/8" - approx 4 1/2" range result in more of a continuation type of hook (similar to 75-90 degrees of rotation).
Pin posiitons in the approx 4 1/2" to 6" range result in a more end-over-end type of hook (similar to a forward roll).

It's almost as if the pin position relieves you of the need to change your hand release. I said, Almost; that is the appearance of the hook. I've experimented briefly with a 5.5" pin position on a recent MoRich Vanguard ball and it definitely reacted this way. Documentation from joint MoRich/Track seminars say the same thing.

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Life: Deal with what is.

Edited on 7/11/2005 12:50 PM

Doug Sterner · « **Reply #10 on:** July 11, 2005, 04:59:31 PM »

NLPS...you are right, I goofed!!!!

Put my rotation in place of my tilt
about 60 degrees of rotation
about 30 degrees of tilt

My SCB is already drilled so that's why I said 4x4. I don;t really want to have to plug and redrill the ball since it's disco'd.

I have the Ravage now drilled 4-1/4" pin to PAP, MB 5-3/4 to PAP I think with the pin 1-3/4" above the midline and it's great.

I have a NIB Shock & Awe here but the used one I picked up from JKiser is working well.

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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
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Author Topic: Layouts for a complete arsenal (Read 3375 times)

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