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Next Level PS

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Measuring the PAP?
« on: September 10, 2004, 04:23:38 AM »
Shop guys just I was doing some experimental work in the shop. I was drawing some lines to measure the PAP. I was measuring the width from the gripping hole edges. I notice that if the track line is on the edge of the thumg the PAP is 6" over now if the track line is lets say a 1/4 off the finger hole the PAP seems to be 6" over 1/4 up.  check this out..


      \    O...O  1" of the the finger edge
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                  \                      \ O     1/2 of the egde of thumb...PAP should read 5 1/2 over 1/2 up


but you still need to circle the hole ball to measure axis tilt.


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Re: Measuring the PAP?
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2004, 06:31:58 PM »
Precision, you are correct. but what it measure when the bowler has 10" Diameter compare to 12" diameter.
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Edited on 9/10/2004 6:24 PM
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Re: Measuring the PAP?
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2004, 06:58:13 PM »
The best and most accurate way to find your PAP is to roll a low flare (spare) ball on oily lanes and then trace the track with a marking pencil, then place the ball in a spinner to where when the ring that you drew does not wobble then place the marking pencil at the top of the ball and move it around until it goes from making a circle to a dot this is the exact location of PAP.

Some say that you can use a quarter scale and just measure 6.75" from the track at 90° to the track through grip center but this is only accurate if you have a 13.5" track diameter if your track diam. is say 12.5" then you would need to measure over 7.25" or if a 10" track you measure over 8.5" etc. Basically add 1/2 the difference between your track diam. and 13.5" to the 6.75"
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Re: Measuring the PAP?
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2004, 01:09:01 AM »
Pre is correct i remeasured a customer today, his track line was 1/2" from the thumb and 1" from the fingers but his track circumference was 12 1/2" which means he has 10 degrees of tilt but his PAP was 5 3/4 over -0- up/down. Tilt plays a major roll in PAP reads and overall hook.
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Edited on 9/12/2004 1:01 AM
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Re: Measuring the PAP?
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2004, 11:38:05 PM »
quote:
The best and most accurate way to find your PAP is to roll a low flare (spare) ball on oily lanes and then trace the track with a marking pencil, then place the ball in a spinner to where when the ring that you drew does not wobble then place the marking pencil at the top of the ball and move it around until it goes from making a circle to a dot this is the exact location of PAP.


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Re: Measuring the PAP?
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2004, 12:27:48 AM »
?????....speech of the Armadillo, doesn't that just do wait I explain earlier, this tool does not take track circumference into consideration or does it. I don't think this measures the  size of the track.
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Re: Measuring the PAP?
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2004, 11:53:42 AM »
Next Level PS -- The Armadillo is a clear, solid plastic tool that fits over about 1/4 of the ball.  It has various track curves on its surface.  You line up the track curve on the ball with the best fit on the surface of the tool and the PAP is at the "axis finder" point of the tool.  So it does take into account the shape and size of the track.  Quick, easy, and accurate (if you locate the first oil track accurately).  Of course, it is always best to confirm the PAP location by marking the point with a piece of white tape and observing the ball for the first 15 ft or so of its travel down the lane.  I tried to find a site that has a picture of an Armadillo, but didn't have any luck.

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Re: Measuring the PAP?
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2004, 12:25:19 PM »
John P, I know what a Armadillo is and know how to use one. I don't know if it' take the track size into consideration.
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Re: Measuring the PAP?
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2004, 10:31:20 PM »
Next Level PS -- The track diameter (also circumference, since the track is a circle) is taken into account when you match the ball track up with the best fit on the Armadillo.  The various rings on the dillo are different diameter arcs.  --  JohnP