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JohnN

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Brunswick vs DV8 "strong layout"
« on: November 24, 2013, 03:52:42 PM »
Was wondering why the 2 companies show 2 different layouts for what they consider their "strongest" layout on the Mastermind vs the Endless Nightmare. Brunswick shows the pin out around the finger holes and DV8 shows the pin under the fingers. I believe both have asymmetric cores.

 

J_Mac

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Re: Brunswick vs DV8 "strong layout"
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2013, 04:49:47 PM »
What are the dual angle layouts for both layouts?  What information are you using to come to the conclusion that they consider those the "strongest' layouts?

Strongest where on the lane? Strongest for what style of bowler?

I don't know which specific layout sheet you are viewing, so I'm only referring to the ones available on either of their websites.  Since you have to have a registered account to view the sheets on Brunswick site, I've linked to a version that the only difference appears to be the presence of brief notes indicating staff player's favorite layouts.

http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/images/8/8d/BB_2009_New_AsymSym_DrillLay_Inst.pdf.pdf

http://dv8bowling.com/uploads/balls/DV8_Drilling_Instructions.pdf
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kidlost2000

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Re: Brunswick vs DV8 "strong layout"
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2013, 05:05:26 PM »
Part of the reason drill sheets should have never been put in boxes to begin with. It is because people base everything off of pictures and expect the ball to be drilled identical to the picture and not based off of the bowlers specific style of bowling/PAP.

If you read what is written and not go off of the picture example then you will see the same thing. 60 x 5" x 70 If they never added pictures it may have helped some. Some people only go off the pic and are likely to be wrong. In the ball park but wrong.

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JohnN

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Re: Brunswick vs DV8 "strong layout"
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2013, 05:18:02 PM »
I was looking at the DV8 drilling sheet for asymmetric which shows the pin below for their "big curve and hook"setups and the  http://d1msaulk40dheh.cloudfront.net/524-bb_short-long-pin-_asymmetric-symmetric_drilling-instructions.pdf one for the Mastermind which shows the pin out for the "max hook" setup. I bought an Endless Nightmare not long ago and I told the driller I wanted the most hook I could get. He drilled it pin under. Showed it to another driller and he said he would have drilled it pin out. ( Left handed, 15mph, 15lbs,med revs)
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kidlost2000

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Re: Brunswick vs DV8 "strong layout"
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2013, 05:39:46 PM »
On your link provided the maximum hook layout of Brunswick is listed as the DV8 big curve. Both are written as 45 x 4.5" x 70. They are listed as different "names/descriptions" of the same layout. The pictures look different because depending on your PAP it could be different from either picture shown.

Do not go off of the pictures
Do not go off of the pictures
Do not go off of the pictures

Go off of the numbers 45 x 4.5" x 70

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Re: Brunswick vs DV8 "strong layout"
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2013, 05:45:01 PM »
If you need the pics the same look at the medium track layout for Brunswick compared to the dv8 normal track pics




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Re: Brunswick vs DV8 "strong layout"
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2013, 05:48:28 PM »
The layout sheet he linked to is a short pin/long pin layout sheet, but for pretty much all intents and purposes the layouts appear the same on paper.

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Re: Brunswick vs DV8 "strong layout"
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2013, 06:00:23 PM »
I was looking at the long pin,high track pic.

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Re: Brunswick vs DV8 "strong layout"
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2013, 06:26:08 PM »
It has the exact same layout and pin to pap distance it only shows the cg area to be further away possibly requiring an x-hole. Your comparing pics not layouts but even looking at the correct pics shows literally the same thing.

Your proshop driller should know the difference not relying on pics to drill a ball. Instead based on your pap. 45 x 4.5 x 70 is all that matters based on you pap. If you then say its not the same as the pic and is wrong then there is no helping you. This is what people do all of the time when it isn't the picture.
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Re: Brunswick vs DV8 "strong layout"
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2013, 07:05:08 PM »
You are correct in that all I have to go on is the pics on the drilling sheets. I have no idea what 45x4.5"x70 is or much lees any of the other drilling jargon. The DV8 sheet did not break it down between high, middle, and low tracks like the Brunswick sheet. Guess I was comparing the DV8 middle track with the Brunswick high track. My bad.

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Re: Brunswick vs DV8 "strong layout"
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2013, 07:14:49 PM »
Very common.  Thats why its bad for drill sheets to be available to general bowlers. If the ball isn't drilled identical to the pic it must be wrong. Then the person will refuse to listen to reason other wise. If the driller drills the exact layout 45 x 4.5 x 70 it will likely look different for each bowler based on their pap. Just look at three examples of the same layout for the high,  medium, and low track bowler. Same layout based off the bowlers unique release and some would argue the layout is not the same based on look and not their release.

In reference to the other shop saying they would have drilled it differently keep in mind everyone has a different opinion on layouts for hook, length, less hook ect. Many times they are opinions not facts.
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