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n00dlejester

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Layout Confusion / in need of help
« on: August 05, 2008, 11:51:30 PM »
Alright, so here's the skinny: I'm having trouble with a few layouts. My coach has gotten me to switch from 5 to 4 steps, has improved my mechanics and freed up my arm swing a lot. Doing this has created more ball speed and a more direct line to the pocket than I was playing...which I like a lot. I had a few balls drilled 6 inches pin to PAP, and I had to get one of them plugged due to how erratic their reactions were. My Neptune would either go straight as an arrow or turn on a left blinker and kill the guy on the lane to my left. I'm getting it plugged and drilled with a bit less backend (okay, a lot less backend).

I've also been a huge fan of my pin under balls. They're a lot easier to control, and a lot easier for me to understand. I know when they work so much easier than my pin-up stuff. Would it be "wrong" to drill everything pin under? I was thinking of redoing my Neptune with a pin on or near axis drilling, and I want to plug my Storm T-Road Pearl and drill it to roll sooner...I was thinking 4.5 - 5 pin to PAP, on the midline or a tad above it.

Thoughts?

I'm a right-handed stroker, I don't know my rev rate but if I had to guess it's between 250-275, 15-17 MPH is my more comfy areas, I have a very forward roll so I think that means lower axis tilt. That is all the stats I know of myself.
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Re: Layout Confusion / in need of help
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2008, 09:43:31 AM »
IMO you should not have everything pin under. You should have a variety of pin to pap distances as well as pin heights. There will be times when you need a ball to roll off the spot and times when you need it to flip harder. If all you have is pin down stuff and you get on a pattern that forces you really deep, your stuff might not turn the corner.
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Re: Layout Confusion / in need of help
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2008, 11:50:52 AM »
That's a good point.  

Maybe I just found that stuff which is 5.5 or 6 inches pin to PAP is not a good mix with me.  I think I'm going to try my T-Road again, but with a 4.5 inch pin to PAP instead of 6.

Thanks for the input!
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Re: Layout Confusion / in need of help
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2008, 12:03:26 PM »
I have some of both, but prefer pin under.  I have a shorter PAP and prefer Pin-pap of about 3.5".  This puts pin under and outside of finger hole.  I tpically keep the pin either under the hole or outside of it.  By altering CG or Mass bias placement I can get about any ball reaction I want.  I reserve pin up layouts for the few balls I have that I want to go long (note: I'm not a big fan of go long and snap - I like go long and settle in to a roll.  Used mainly on drier conditions.)
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Re: Layout Confusion / in need of help
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2008, 04:22:02 PM »
If you've become speed dominate you might want to try a pin to pap around 2" to get the ball into a roll sooner or maybe a rico layout to help smooth things out.
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