Author Topic: can you drill all break from a ball? (Read 7034 times)

hamma · « **on:** January 29, 2010, 10:24:54 AM »

i want a ball that will go straight without any break, is there any such thing, if not are there any layouts (right hander) that would accomplish the same thing?

Aloarjr810 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 30, 2010, 03:18:24 PM »

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That would be an illegal delivery. USBC rules specify that any hole not used for gripping is considered an X hole, and you''''''''re only allowed one. Delivering the ball using just your thumb would give you 2 X holes, making the ball illegal.

You''''''''re required to have at least 2 digits in the ball until it comes off your hand.

USBC Chapter 7: Equipment
Specifications and Certifications

Do I have to use all gripping holes during the delivery of the ball?
If a thumb hole is not being used during a delivery and a weight/balance hole is present, a bowler
must demonstrate that all gripping holes can be used for gripping purposes simultaneously. The ball
must be within specification as the ball rests in the bowlers hand but all holes do not need to be used
for gripping purposes during a delivery.

On my first delivery, I donâ€™t use my thumb hole, I also have a balance hole.
Is this acceptable?
Yes, a bowler must only be able to reasonably demonstrate that all gripping holes can be used for
gripping purposes simultaneously. As long as the ball is in specification as the ball rests in the
bowlers hand it is acceptable.

USBC Equipment Specifications
and
Certification Manual
Holes:
The following limitations shall govern the drilling of
holes in the ball:
1. Holes or indentations for gripping purposes shall not
exceed five (5) and shall be limited to one for each
finger and one for the thumb, all for the same hand.
The player is not required to use all the holes in any
specific delivery, but they must be able to demonstrate,
with the same hand, that each hole can be used
simultaneously for gripping purposes. Any hole that
cannot be reasonably shown to be used with a single
hand would be classified as a balance hole.
2. One hole for balance purposes not to exceed 1- 1/4
inches diameter. This hole may not exceed 1- Â¼
inches at any point through the depth of the hole.
3. No more than one vent hole to each finger and/or
thumb hole not to exceed Â¼ inch in diameter. USBC
considers a vent hole any non gripping hole that
intersects with a gripping hole at any depth. Any
hole intended for use as a balance hole that intersects
with a gripping hole will instantly be considered
a vent hole. This hole may not exceed Â¼ inch
at any point throughout the depth of the hole.
4. One mill hole for inspection purposes not to exceed
5/8 inch in diameter and 1/8 inch in depth.

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jodyk24 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 30, 2010, 03:31:51 PM »

I bowl in a league that has a bowler who does not put thumb or fingers in the ball. He is not a two handed bowler, just cocks his wrist and goes. He throws a nice hooking ball and seems to have control most of the time. His ball has three holes in it, but he said that that is the way he learned to bowl and just stayed with it. Many bowlers take one or more fingers out of the ball on a spare shot. Now if a bowler misses a 7 or 10 pin spare by one of these methods mentioned and you tell him it is illegal. I don''t feel sorry for you at all (LOL)
As others suggested there are several ways to kill a ball with different hand positions and keep the ball from hooking. You don''t want to help a plastic ball,just roll it over your mark.

jodyk24

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Strider · « **Reply #18 on:** January 30, 2010, 03:52:29 PM »

You can make any ball go straight and any ball hook depending on your release. There isn't a drilling that will accomplish it. Even with plastic or rubber, with your stats (medium-slow ball speed, strong hand, rev dominant), you'll have to learn to back off on your release to make anything go straight. Get a plastic ball, drill it with as much negative weight as you can, and polish it with car wax. That will be as straight as you can get - the rest is up to you.
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charlest · « **Reply #19 on:** January 30, 2010, 04:04:15 PM »

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use an old urethane ball. My old Nitro wont hook..dam thing nearly backs up in oil LOL
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AMF has released a urethane ball called the Hype. So you might not have too search too far back for urethane.
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The Hype is probably the hookingest urethane made today and it has a good deal of flare. It'll hook on medium oil. Its coverstock is like polishing granite! Heck, marble is easy to polish!

If you want a minimum hooking urethane, try a Visionary Ogre Urethane. It's the smallest hooking, shiniest, least flaring, highest RG urethane made today. You need lots of dry to make it hook at all.

The first best way to reduce the hook on a resin ball is to buy the least hooking ball. Then use a polish with a "slip agent" in it to increase length, reduce hook and reduce overall hook. Then drilling-wise, put the pin on your PAP or axis point.
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kidlost2000 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 30, 2010, 04:41:05 PM »

You can easily put enough polish on any ball to make it go straight. Or drill a ball with the pin on your positive axis or close to it as possible. That will flatten the ball out.
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BBU · « **Reply #21 on:** January 30, 2010, 04:58:10 PM »

$10 in the old wax machine...lol
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Juggernaut · « **Reply #22 on:** January 30, 2010, 07:18:58 PM »

I love some of the responses to this question. This guy is hooking a blue dot and an ice storm on his tenpin shots, yet some of you still recommend urethane or highly polished reactives. C'mon fellas.

To cut your hook as much as possible with equipment, find the lowest friction rating ball possible. Today, that is likely to be a "plastic" ball, like the ice storm you already have.

Have the ball finished to as high a grit finish as possible, then polish it to as shiny a surface as you can, using a polish that has a slip agent in it like a silicon or a wax.

Use a ball with a LOW topweight of 1oz. or less (if possible) to avoid needing an x-hole, then put the cg on your NAP (negative axis point).

You will end up with a shiny, slippery ball as possible with bottom and negative side weights to help keep the ball from reacting.

If you are hitting a spot that is just dead dry, you may not be able to PREVENT all hooking, but you can minimize it as much as possible.
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hamma · « **Reply #23 on:** January 30, 2010, 08:36:43 PM »

thanks juggernaut, you listed some drilling techniques that i will explore with the shop pro.

thanks all for the spirited feedback. i currently use the natural as a benchmark, fyi the hype is stronger than half my reactives. i have the ogre urethane at 4000 polished with val ufo, i use it as my spare ball, it breaks less than my plastic. guess i need to heed the advice and stop buying bowling balls and buy bowling lessons....

EboHammer4ever · « **Reply #24 on:** January 30, 2010, 09:15:04 PM »

here's what I just did and I do it for my friends. They buy a WD or Maxim..whatever and when I drill it, I move the CG about 3/4" to the left (negative weight for a right hander) then I polish it with Finesse-It. That ball doesnt move at all.

give that a try...but you have to learn how to flatten ur release and kill the ball. Even the most expensive plastic ball will hook on toasted lanes if u use ur norm strike ball release.

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kidlost2000 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 02, 2010, 12:52:04 AM »

If it is only in reference to shooting ten pins that should be listed in the original post/question. You can use most any plastics and not over hook. Even a ball that doesn't hook will still either go in the gutter or be pulled more times then not when trying to hook it at a ten pin.

To flatten your hand out just take your thumb to the target. When you follow through make sure your thumb is coming straight up not over. Just practice a few shots with a full rack concentrating on your thumb and bringing it strait up.
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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #26 on:** February 02, 2010, 06:10:55 AM »

Pin axis layout. It will roll like a barrel as soon as it leaves your fingers. Take a pin-in ball with low TW, drill the pin on your PAP and place a balance hole into it to make the ball legal. Not sure if such a layout is effective at all, but that's the way I'd go for a "dead" ball.
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shelley · « **Reply #27 on:** February 02, 2010, 06:18:00 AM »

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I love some of the responses to this question. This guy is hooking a blue dot and an ice storm on his tenpin shots, yet some of you still recommend urethane or highly polished reactives. C'mon fellas.

I agree. If you're hooking an Ice, then your problems will not be solved through the purchase of a new ball. A polish with a slip agent in it should 100% be the first thing to try.

Failing that, the unthinkable: Learn to throw it straight. It might mean practice to get good at it. Instead of $100 for a urethane ball that won't do what you want, $25 kicked to the local coach to learn the "magic release" will take care of this.

SH

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