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LuckyLefty

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For the Amateur driller (Idea 1)
« on: March 22, 2008, 06:49:54 AM »
I have been drilling for a while and have done nice jobs occassionally for the few friends I have drilled stuff for and they have thrown very nicely and come back.  I seem to be quite good at bevel using the Mo Pinel bevel methods...

I am not in the business.

But a professional driller friend reminded me of some good tests to do that can help in fitting the many types of hands out there that range dramatically in flexibility.

Particularly troublesome for me with my own hand is the incredible stetchiness of my own hand.  As Bob Learn told me in a training class once...."like rubber and very difficult to fit".

Versus some friends have very different problems with extremely stiff hands.

The result....

When I put my hand on a fitting ball and many drillers offer to fit me they say stretch gently....as a result I end up with a very short fit.

Another person with a stiff hand stretching gently could easily end up with a stetched span due to stiffness in the fingers etc.

The solution:

(This is no surprise to professional drillers.)  Take the set to your hand fitting ball(You think) and pick the ball up.  The amount of bow of the hand above the ball tells one if they have the span right.  Somewhere around a pencil fitting between the hand and the ball and slightly less than a pencil seems to be just right!  

Now I had heard of this pencil test but never had done it with the weight of the ball hanging down.  Had instead done it with the ball on the table.  What a difference.

We then went on and tested setting a ball up for me with my stretchy hand and found doing the normal tests....when we then hung the ball down I had a magic marker under my flexible hand.  Voila another 3/16 of span length took that all out!

For a stiff handed friend the same thing in the opposite and expected way.  Took measurements with a "slight" stretch of the hand with the thumb in the ball.  Set the fitting ball to that span and voila, 1/2 of a pencil could be fit under her stiff hand!

This test is GREAT for verifying spans!  Or a set of pitches with maybe a very relaxed span for a hand!

REgards,

Luckylefty


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LuckyLefty

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Re: For the Amateur driller (Idea 1)
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2008, 07:33:42 AM »
I posted this during a slow time of the weekend.

Wanted to move to the top....because for a few dramatically different type of hands I have been getting for them and me....the best fit any of us has ever had.  Releases are showing it!

Probably the best old idea I've brought back in to my arsenal in a while!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Re: For the Amateur driller (Idea 1)
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2008, 02:21:21 PM »
I use the "pencil test" on every ball I fit.  --  JohnP

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Re: For the Amateur driller (Idea 1)
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2008, 02:25:25 PM »
The DIFFERNCE for me.....was doing it with the ball hanging down!!!

SWEET!  and revealing......

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS finding that regardless of hand flexibility we are getting a nice feel for all extremes of bowler with this!  Bowlers are proclaiming new and better feels than ever before and I keep hearing the words...."Butter"!  Fortunately I believe this is referring to their release.  Good beveling is a nice help!
Thanks .....MO
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Re: For the Amateur driller (Idea 1)
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2008, 02:55:25 PM »
Lucky,

Excellent info! I am a beginning driller of sorts and have used the pencil but not with the ball hanging down.......most excellent!!!

Here is a question for you....and if you would like to reply to my messages here that is cool as I think this is a long one...*laugh*

I like to use a Bill Taylor Fitter at where I work. It is on a military base and we don't have all the high-tech goodies I would like but will try to work on that.  My question is how do you measure both a fingertip and convential grip with a Taylor (if you use one, as would like to make sure I am doing it right).  Also, do you adjust any finger pitches when using finger grips?  As an example lets say I want to go 1/4 rev and 1/8 rev on the fingers and I will use inserts. Do i have to make any adjustment to that due to the finger inserts?

I have a ton of other questions but figure I didn't want to overburden you!

Thanks for the help!

Oh yeah.....forgot one thing.......can you explain how you bevel? That would be priceless for me!

Mike
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LuckyLefty

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Re: For the Amateur driller (Idea 1)
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2008, 03:07:24 PM »
I don't use the Taylor (though I believe it is a wonderful tool).

Instead the local shop had a fitting ball.(Jayhawk?).

Also one can just check their own ball hanging down from hand.

Most people adjust about 1/8 forward if they are thinking of having inserts when using the Jayhawk fitting ball.(ie they will actually drill 1/8 more reverse for the pilot hole than what the client says they like the fit of and what looks right when in the fitting ball).

It is amazing to change the pitches and leave the span the same and watch how that pencil becomes a magic marker or a magic marker under the palm becomes a pencil size space.

Pitches, span length, flexibility.  All quite fascinating when viewed threw this viewfinder.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS regarding bevel....I apply liberally(You can relate).  Almost a joke!
See our Reference section(here on Ballreviews) on Mo Pinel bevel tips I passed along from Mo to ReEvolution.  Awesome and sweet!
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Re: For the Amateur driller (Idea 1)
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2008, 04:45:26 PM »
Lucky,

Liberally!! That is a good one!!..*laugh*

Thank you much for the very useful information! I will certainly check out the posting on Bevel that is for sure!

Here is my next question. When using the Jayhawk Ball....how do you measure the span?? Is it a hit and miss thing or is there a certain way you would go about it? I have never used the ball but believe we have one on order so need to learn how to measure a span on that also!

Thanks again!!

Mike
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LuckyLefty

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Re: For the Amateur driller (Idea 1)
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2008, 04:55:08 PM »
Oh...just like measuring on a regular ball.  Typically to the middle of the last and next to last joints...of the middle and ring finger.

This is where the final span will be when comfortably stretched gently.

BUT HERE is where the pencil test with the weight of the fitting ball comes in.
NOW pickup.  Observe the space.  VOILA with the fitting ball...adjust either lengthen or shorten span or tweak pitches to either tighten or loosen the distance between the fitting ball and the palm.

SWEET.  Just by doing this with your current ball one can see....A LOT!

One can also think about ones release and say....hmmmm....my fingers are in too long...or too little or thumb is not early enough or.....tweaks to the pitches to create the change in release one wants while maintaining that comfortable looking pencil distance to palm......SWEET.

I've made some changes with this method.....SWEET!!!  

REGards,

Luckylefty
PS..  A change with less reverse in the fingers and more in the thumb is giving me the sequence I want........UmmmmMMMMMMMUMMMMM!
PPS though I don't have that Jayhawk ball they sure can be a powerful tool...thankyou local guy for letting me stop by!
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Re: For the Amateur driller (Idea 1)
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2008, 05:53:04 PM »
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The DIFFERNCE for me.....was doing it with the ball hanging down!!!


Yes, that's the way I do it.

srlunatic - Regarding drilling finger pitch when using grips, if the grips are straight sided, drill the hole with the final pitch you want.  If the grips have lifts, the lift adds 1/8 to 1/4 forward pitch, depending on the manufacturer.  I add 3/16 reverse to the final pitch I want when drilling the hole (if I want 1/4 reverse, I drill at 7/16 reverse).  --  JohnP