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spazBowls

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Layouts, and finger pitch
« on: January 06, 2016, 12:07:54 AM »
So I just got a new ball, first one bought brand new since getting back into bowling 6 months ago. My other two balls are hand me downs.
One hand me down, i replaced the finger tips on it and had the thumb redrilled to fit my span and my size thumb.

My new ball I brought it in and gave them my ball i had redrilled and asked them to measure my PAP.
My PAP they said was about 6 1/8" over and 7/8" up; my track is usually really close to the fingertips so i think that should be close. The shop owner said something about that representing that I throw the ball pretty well. Not really sure about that or why that would be so (If anyone can provide some insight that would be cool).

Anyways, the ball i got drilled was the eternal cell by roto grip. We both agreed that going pin up and a more angular approach would be best. The layout he came up with was: 60x5.5x40
I really do not know that much about layouts but it seems that this layout allows for more control but am not sure? How can you tell what a good layout is for someone?

Lastly, he got my finger pitch measurements off that ball that i showed him. I mean the ball fit comfortably in my hand and all but all i did was replace the finger tips on it and get the thumb drilled. So im wondering if the finger pitch plays much of an effect.
He said that its slightly away and that helps reduce revs, yet i feel like i am more of a speed dominant player (at least in my opinion because i feel i dont throw it with nearly as many revs as some of the people i see bowl but have not tried to measure/calculate). He also assumed that i wanted the power lift side of the finger tip which kind of annoyed me but thats what i had in my old ball so can't really fault him for it. I personally don't think it makes that much of a difference whether they are fully circular or power lift; in fact i have really skinny fingers so it may even be better to keep it a little more snug.

SO in the end:
With my supposed 6 1/8" over and 7/8" up, is a 60x5.5x40 layout good for what i was seeking, a more angular look on the lanes?
Should i be concerned that he got my finger measurements from a ball that was drilled for someone else? (Again, i replaced the fingertips to my size, and had the thumb/pitch redrilled for me) Will that hinder any performance or anything?

Thanks to anyone who can provide some insight. Really trying to learn more about the drilling layouts and more behinds the scenes stuff that nobody ever taught me or bothered explaining to me when I was a kid bowling tournaments and leagues

 

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Re: Layouts, and finger pitch
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2016, 07:24:25 PM »
Has he ever watched you Bowl a few games ?.If not,then he probably isn't the right ball driller for you. I always Bowl with or watch a new customer for a few games before touching any ball

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Re: Layouts, and finger pitch
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2016, 08:56:24 PM »
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Re: Layouts, and finger pitch
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2016, 10:51:54 PM »
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Re: Layouts, and finger pitch
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2016, 07:55:53 AM »
What house in SoCal? I think more bowlers would come to you knowing that vs others in the area.
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Re: Layouts, and finger pitch
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2016, 09:13:16 AM »
I didn't go to bowling alley to do business. They raise the rent there every year and it's getting ridiculous what they want for the place .It wasn't a good business opportunity. I have a shop in corona,where I can keep the cost down .That helps to keep my prices very competitive and the quality of work at a premium .I believe the ball distributor calls it " A stand alone shop "

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Re: Layouts, and finger pitch
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2016, 10:31:44 AM »
So I just got a new ball, first one bought brand new since getting back into bowling 6 months ago. My other two balls are hand me downs.
One hand me down, i replaced the finger tips on it and had the thumb redrilled to fit my span and my size thumb.

My new ball I brought it in and gave them my ball i had redrilled and asked them to measure my PAP.
My PAP they said was about 6 1/8" over and 7/8" up; my track is usually really close to the fingertips so i think that should be close. The shop owner said something about that representing that I throw the ball pretty well. Not really sure about that or why that would be so (If anyone can provide some insight that would be cool).

Anyways, the ball i got drilled was the eternal cell by roto grip. We both agreed that going pin up and a more angular approach would be best. The layout he came up with was: 60x5.5x40
I really do not know that much about layouts but it seems that this layout allows for more control but am not sure? How can you tell what a good layout is for someone?

Lastly, he got my finger pitch measurements off that ball that i showed him. I mean the ball fit comfortably in my hand and all but all i did was replace the finger tips on it and get the thumb drilled. So im wondering if the finger pitch plays much of an effect.
He said that its slightly away and that helps reduce revs, yet i feel like i am more of a speed dominant player (at least in my opinion because i feel i dont throw it with nearly as many revs as some of the people i see bowl but have not tried to measure/calculate). He also assumed that i wanted the power lift side of the finger tip which kind of annoyed me but thats what i had in my old ball so can't really fault him for it. I personally don't think it makes that much of a difference whether they are fully circular or power lift; in fact i have really skinny fingers so it may even be better to keep it a little more snug.

SO in the end:
With my supposed 6 1/8" over and 7/8" up, is a 60x5.5x40 layout good for what i was seeking, a more angular look on the lanes?
Should i be concerned that he got my finger measurements from a ball that was drilled for someone else? (Again, i replaced the fingertips to my size, and had the thumb/pitch redrilled for me) Will that hinder any performance or anything?

Thanks to anyone who can provide some insight. Really trying to learn more about the drilling layouts and more behinds the scenes stuff that nobody ever taught me or bothered explaining to me when I was a kid bowling tournaments and leagues
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After all that you never say if you have thrown the ball and if that answers any of the listed questions or concerns
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Layouts, and finger pitch
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2016, 12:00:07 PM »
Has he ever watched you Bowl a few games ?.If not,then he probably isn't the right ball driller for you. I always Bowl with or watch a new customer for a few games before touching any ball

I bowl at the house all the time. He's seen me bowl a few shots before but don't think he was necessarily thinking about my stats.

I've gotten a thumb redrilled there before and talked to the guy a number of times. I'm not really a new customer. I know I've seen him take the time to watch someone bowl that was new and having trouble. I just think he thought that I already knew everything about the layouts, pitches, and stuff. I know the basics and thats it

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After all that you never say if you have thrown the ball and if that answers any of the listed questions or concerns

I've thrown the ball a lot over the last week. Overall the layout is fine. Works well. The one thing i noticed though yesterday was when I have the ball in my hand as I'm setting up on the approach. The V between my thumb and pointer finger feels like it's getting a lot of pressure on it. Not sure if that's a span issue or me squeezing. I guess i'll go ask them if I go bowl today.

And the shop that I go to is Bowler's Depot in Lake Forest, CA. I live in south orange county. I think next time I'll try going to my coach's guy over in Garden Grove since they're about the same cost drilling wise.
Overall I would say I am satisfied with my guy but not thoroughly impressed. He's a nice guy, knows his stuff, and is usually willing to go a couple extra steps like resurfacing my ball when i got thumb plugged and redrilled, and says he'll be happy to bevel etc. All that's awesome and probably really good for average bowlers, but I am getting pretty deep into this and would've appreciated the extra steps in explaining my finger pitches, what type of inserts, etc, rather than just copying everything off the ball that i showed him. He asked what ball i had that was comfortable and gave him the one he redrilled my thumb on, but didn't ask if I wanted the powerlift or just regular inserts, etc. Maybe I'm just asking for a lot lol.

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Re: Layouts, and finger pitch
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2016, 07:03:35 PM »
"The V between my thumb and pointer finger feels like it's getting a lot of pressure on it. Not sure if that's a span issue or me squeezing. I guess i'll go ask them if I go bowl today."

Excessive pressure there is an indication of spans that are too long.  Place your thumb fully in its hole and lay your fingers over their holes, don't stretch.  The leading edge of the gripping surface should fall half way between the two joints.  I'll guess you're about 1/4" longer than that.  --  JohnP