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todvan

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Lefty THS - 2 ball arsenal (+spare)
« on: September 08, 2014, 12:12:12 PM »
I am thinking of simplifying for THS.  Being a lefty, I don't see much transition - maybe slight changes by the third game - never "opens up" like the right side.  So, why not just have 2 versatile balls - one for fresh and one (maybe the same ball, drill/surface different) that gives the same motion, just a little later for the third game?

Does this make sense?  How much difference would you put between these 2 balls?  Has anyone seen or done this?  Thanks!
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Re: Lefty THS - 2 ball arsenal (+spare)
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2014, 01:02:05 PM »
I have done the 2 strike ball/1 plastic ball arsenal for numerous seasons now and it works fairly well.  However, when I look at my arsenal though, I have it set up different than what your intentions are.

Currently my THS arsenal is a Zero Gravity, Frantic, and Plastic.  Usually I start with the Frantic, the weaker of the 2.  If I need to move considerably deeper into the lane (and into heavier oil) after starting with the Frantic (anything more than 5 boards which is rare), I will go to the Zero Gravity so that it will make the turn.  It sounds counter-intuitive but it works well.  Also, if I need more hook to start the night, which does not happen often, I will go with the Zero Gravity. 

You want to do the opposite, which is to start with the stronger of the 2 and finish with the weaker 1.  This is do-able too and is just a different mindset. 

On a THS, with a 2 ball arsenal I would not go to extremes.  I would go with equipment that will cover medium-heavy (Zero Gravity) and medium-light (Frantic).  I would not go with a low rg oiler and pair it with a high rg weak pearl - too much difference between the two.  What balls are you thinking of using?

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Re: Lefty THS - 2 ball arsenal (+spare)
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2014, 02:14:35 PM »
Thanks for the reply.  Your approach interests me also - I may be better off your way and just don't know it yet.  My thoughts were that I could play one line all night if I had a second ball that just cleared the heads better - maybe the same ball drilled with a longer pin, higher drill angle, and less surface (shiny).

But I do struggle with my current equipment if I have to move inside and swing it - either it doesn't get back, or it hits weak.  I am higher rotation, but not a high rev player, so need a ball to conserve more energy until further down lane.  Or maybe my revs limit me to playing up and in mostly.  So maybe a stronger backend ball is something I should look at and move inside into the oil when needed.

Just looking for ideas - any other advice is appreciated. 
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Re: Lefty THS - 2 ball arsenal (+spare)
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2014, 02:24:05 PM »
last year even though i carried five with me i routinely went with 2 balls every week. my fresh ball was an IQ tour solid. and my transition ball was a cobalt vibe. i generally throw mostly symetric cores. i dont think you need anything crazy on house shots. there are so many choices that on a pattern like house shots pick one ball thats lower RG medium/high diff. with some surface and one thats a little higher RG and medium/lower diff. with less surface. every company has their version of those. your proshop should have a better idea for your specific house since you guys know how your house shot plays.

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Re: Lefty THS - 2 ball arsenal (+spare)
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2014, 10:01:56 PM »
I only carry 3 balls and they work out great for where I bowl. I have a Motiv Primal Scream for oil heavier than medium, a Motiv Thrash Frenzy for medium and medium-light oil and a Storm Mix for corner pins as well as for dry lanes. These 3 balls cover everything I see.
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Re: Lefty THS - 2 ball arsenal (+spare)
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2014, 12:37:58 AM »
I would go with a Motiv Primal Rage or Storm Optimus for medium to heavy. I would go with a Motiv Tribal Fire or Tribal for medium to light. I'm a lefty with slower speed and lower revs and use the Rage and Tribal on most shots. I do have other balls, but these two fit a wide range of conditions. Saw the Optimus in person and it would fit the medium to heavy conditions very well also.

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Re: Lefty THS - 2 ball arsenal (+spare)
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2014, 08:15:34 AM »
I have the zero gravity and iq tour solid. Lefty here as well. But have a bit of speed.

I have a pin up marvel pearl, but it usually stays in the car..

Honestly with a few wrist/speed adjustments I can roll the tour solid up to five games with considerable carry.

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Re: Lefty THS - 2 ball arsenal (+spare)
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2014, 07:11:39 PM »
Thanks everyone, I have been looking at a ZG, since lower rg balls can sometimes run out of punch for my lower rev, lower speed style. 

Does anyone think a Zero Gravity could be a good step down from my lower rg, dull, early roll layout, Track 811 C/T?

Otherwise, pick a good pair of Storm balls to use on an oily, left side, THS.
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Re: Lefty THS - 2 ball arsenal (+spare)
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2014, 08:52:34 PM »
Storm IQ series and/or the Hy Road series. On the heavier side the solids, next step down the hybrids, then the pearls. The iq tour pro is great, as is the original hy road. Those are two that could meet your needs. Then again almost any combination within these could also satisfy that as well.

Lean on the expertise of your pro shop as they will know your style and house better than most here. With your lower speed it makes it difficult for suggestions.

todvan

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Re: Lefty THS - 2 ball arsenal (+spare)
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2014, 09:52:28 PM »
Extra info:  Speed ~ 15 MPH at release, Revs ~ 240-250 rpm, Rotation ~ 65*, Tilt ~ 18*.

IQ Fusion, and Hyroad?  Looking to keep the gap between balls reasonably close.
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Re: Lefty THS - 2 ball arsenal (+spare)
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2014, 10:31:03 PM »
i am also LH
im on a bit of a heavier THS pattern
benchmark piece = columbia disorder, great predictable piece
comes OBB at 2000 dull, i have mine at 500+ poilish

step down, the new columbia eruption pro hybrid, going to be really good piece

step up, gamebreaker2 - another even rolling, predictable awesome ball

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Re: Lefty THS - 2 ball arsenal (+spare)
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2014, 04:58:13 AM »
IQ Tour Solid and HyRoad are great compliments without breaking the bank. Depending on how the pattern plays, front to back, you could go Hysteria and OutCry/WipeOut. I would recommend one shiny and one dull piece since you are mainly rolling on ths. And with what Storm/Roto currently have available, you can compliment in many different ways depending on what you are looking for reaction wise.

Angular dull: Sinister, Zero Gravity, IQ Tour Solid(can be smooth with layout), HyRoad Solid, Disturbed
Smoother Dull: Hyper Cell, Asylum, Marvel S, Rumble, WipeOut, OutCry
Angular Shiny: Byte, IQ Tour Pearl, Deranged, HyRoad Pearl, UpRoar, Punch Out
Smoother Shiny: Totally Defiant, Hysteria, Optimus (can be Angular), Marvel Pearl, IQ Tour Fusion, HyRoad, Lights Out

thus is how I see most of the line up. Some will agree and some will disagree. Different releases and Rev rates/ball speed will move some balls around on the list. For me the Sinister isn't as angular but does change direction quicker than most dull asymms. The IQ Tour Solid for instance can fit angular or smooth depending on layout and surface. It is a great dull benchmark that I would recommend for every style. I hope some of this helps!

todvan

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Re: Lefty THS - 2 ball arsenal (+spare)
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2014, 06:34:22 AM »
Thanks tkk, I also sent you a PM, but this does help.  It looks like you have balls in each category listed in terms of overall hook....so if I want an angular pair with slight difference, one dull, one shiny, I could go:

Sinister, IQ Pearl
Zero Gravity, Deranged
IQ solid, HyRoad

Correct?  I'm just trying to have a plan instead of randomly trying to fit a new ball into my others.  Thanks!
MOTIV Jackal LE .................40 x 4.5 x 40 p2.5
MOTIV Revolt Vengeance......45 x 4.0 x 50 p3
MOTIV Forza GT ..................50 x 4.0 x 70 p2.5
MOTIV Sigma Sting..............50 x 4.0 x 45 p3