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General Category => Drilling & Layouts => Topic started by: Moon57 on May 12, 2009, 09:14:06 PM
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Would it be legal to take the core shavings from a ball, mix them with plug material, and use it elsewhere in the same ball? I couldn't find anything in the rules to prohibit this and I'm sure someone has done this before. This is mainly to make the balls statics legal.
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Moon
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Mainly the Ball is not approved - so its not legal.
I saw a video on Youtube and the Ball worked quite well
Not to mention a topweight of 6oz...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuh9nz3LeGg
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I'm not making a whole new ball, just redistributing some of the core weight. I saw that vid before and was thinking that had to be at least $100 worth of plug material to make that ball. Looked cool though.
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Moon
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I can't believe somebody didn't jump all over me for wanting to do this. I haven't tried this yet but have some "experiment balls" that I'm going to try this on to see how much I can influence the statics.
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Moon
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Just NOT even worth it to jump all over you.....
Simply amazing
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Legal for what?
When was the last time you had a ball checked for legality?
Why not just sink some pennies or fishing weights in the plug - would be easier.
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Well, pennies or fishing weights would definitely be illegal. I hear what your saying about checking for legal balls but I would rather stay legal. Sometimes I get a ball off EBay that I can't put the layout I want on because I know I won't be able to get the statics legal. Just wondering if I could shift some core weight around and still have a legal ball.
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Moon
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So many questions, so little time but I'm having fun.
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I am not aware of any USBC reg that would prohibit use of core shavings as you describe. But, to be sure, e-mail USBC (see bowl.com) and ask them. I'll be interested to hear their response. -- JohnP
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Well, I was trying to get an unofficial response. But first I'm going to try it on an "experiment ball" to see how much I can change the weight.
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Moon
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So many questions, so little time but I'm having fun.
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I don't think you'll change it much. -- JohnP
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It would fall under a usbc rule about putting anything additional added to the ball.
From the General USBC manual for leagues
Plugs and Designs
1. Must be of material similar to, although not exactly the same as, the original material out of which
the ball was made and shall otherwise comply with all bowling ball specifications.
2. Plugs may be inserted for the purpose of redrilling a ball.
3. Plugs and grips may not exceed beyond the surface of the ball.
4. Designs may be embedded in a ball as guides, or observation or identification purposes, provided
the designs are flush with the outer surface of the ball.
In all cases there shall be no interior voids.
Altering a ball in any way, to increase its weight or cause it to be out of balance beyond the tolerances, is prohibited.
From the USBC manual for Equipment
4. No device shall be employed for the purpose of
adjusting the static balance of the ball.
5. No voids shall be permitted under the device.
6. Density not to exceed 1.5 grams per cubic centimeter.
No foreign material may be placed on the outer surface
of the ball. Nor may any foreign materials be
placed in a weight hole including but not limited to
tape, paint, or white out.
PAGE I-4 (April 09)
I hate trying to read through the rule book but it's in there somewhere.
Most cores aren't made of anything super crazy. It would be no different then using sand. The balls are drilled with masonry bits.
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Alot of gray area in those rules such as
"Altering a ball in any way, to increase its weight or cause it to be out of balance beyond the tolerances, is prohibited."
If the point was made that putting core material in the plug was adding weight to the ball even tho that core material came out of that ball then plugging a layout with a balance hole and redrilling a new layout but with no balance hole thus adding weight might be illegal.
I take that rule to mean that you can't increase the weight of the ball over the manufactured weight.
IMHO a lot of the USBC rules really aren't very clear and open for interpretation.
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Moon
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So many questions, so little time but I'm having fun.
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I agree they are very grey.
Plus most rules have no real punishment. I've learned that through the years of bowling leagues. Rules are there and thats about it.
Plus it doesn't state that you forfeit anything if you are caught doing this. Same for a lot of the team rules.
A few years ago I got some great deals on some bonanza 2 balls for $25 each shipped. A month later they were banned by USBC.
When I asked them why they said it's because they were not submitted to be USBC certified. Two of each color must be submitted and $250 paid for the testing.
Which is stupid when the balls are leftover USBC certified cores that are used to test new colors for up coming product. It wasn't an issue with the previous Bonanza 1 series, but now USBC wants their cut I guess.
So I sanded/filed off the 2 and had some new bonanza 1 equipment that rolled really well.
It's not like it was possible for them to be any different from anything else released. No unfair advantage for anyone who bought them. But it was a great way for some people to get high performance bowling balls dirt cheap.
I had one that was the Jinx, hyjinx, and a wrath. Great bowling balls. I miss those days.
Now they sell as X-outs/2nds and are $10 less then a first quality.
Pshhh yeah right.
I'm not impressed with anything USBC has done for bowling.
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