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dR3w

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Low Flare Drilling
« on: May 06, 2015, 12:34:33 PM »
I have a friend who is a very low speed high rev player.  Probably 16 mph off his hand and 400 RPM with very high axis rotation, and about average tilt.

Most of the equipment he uses is of the low hook variety, such as the Track 300 series, etc.  Almost all his drillings are 5-1/2 to 6 Pin to PaP which usually puts the pin above his middle finger (Right handed).

He is going to Nationals, and wants something a little tamer for team.  I suggested the Hammer Arson low flare. 

My question is, would putting a 6 inch Pin-to-PAP drilling on such a tame ball (Arson low flare), produce an overall weaker reaction than say a 300c with the same drilling, or by the time you get to 5-1/2 or 6 inches, you pretty much have very little flare on either ball, and it is all surface that dictates motion?

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Re: Low Flare Drilling
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2015, 01:57:28 PM »
Try a 2 inch pin to pap on aggressive cover symmetric core combo.  It will give him a sooner and smoother roll for fresh lanes. I have a few balls with 3k surface drilled like this and it definitely helps the over under seen on tougher patterns. Just a layout to consider.

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Re: Low Flare Drilling
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2015, 03:16:17 PM »
Try a 2 inch pin to pap on aggressive cover symmetric core combo.  It will give him a sooner and smoother roll for fresh lanes. I have a few balls with 3k surface drilled like this and it definitely helps the over under seen on tougher patterns. Just a layout to consider.
+1 to this.  For higher rev bowlers, this drilling should be tried for flatter shots.  At least experiment with it.

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Re: Low Flare Drilling
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2015, 04:11:23 PM »
Try a 2 inch pin to pap on aggressive cover symmetric core combo.  It will give him a sooner and smoother roll for fresh lanes. I have a few balls with 3k surface drilled like this and it definitely helps the over under seen on tougher patterns. Just a layout to consider.
+1 to this.  For higher rev bowlers, with sufficient ball speed, this drilling should be tried for flatter shots.  At least experiment with it.

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Re: Low Flare Drilling
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2015, 04:18:08 PM »
2 inch pins are awesome for taming over under. Surface is paramount, though. I've had to work the surface on my Grip-It to get the reaction I wanted. OOB (4000) was too much too early. I had to go 1000 with polish on top. Now it's a killer.

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Re: Low Flare Drilling
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2015, 04:20:00 PM »
Thanks for the replies, although nobody has really answered the question, I still appreciate the advice.

Why "Sufficient ball speed", will a short P2P result in a ball that will roll out, or lose all tilt quicker?

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Re: Low Flare Drilling
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2015, 06:49:45 PM »
Flare is dictated by rev rate NOTHING else...so as the diff increases so does the flare potential as does rev rate...if his rev rate is 400, I wouldn't not go lower than 5.5" from pap...you can possibly add a weight hole to open up flares down lane but if he is looking for 'tamer' but more just look for a stronger cover...say IQ tour type
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Re: Low Flare Drilling
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2015, 07:28:15 PM »
Thanks for the replies, although nobody has really answered the question, I still appreciate the advice.

Why "Sufficient ball speed", will a short P2P result in a ball that will roll out, or lose all tilt quicker?

Without the right ball speed for that pin-PAP, yes, the ball will roll too early, hit weakly, at best, hit sadly, at worst.  Been there, done that. I'm rev dominant and have learned that, for aa symmetric core, if 2"pin-PAP work for the rev matched, I need to go to the opposite end of the pin-PAP spectrum, 5.5" to get the same flare/differential. this also increase the RG, to get more length. a 2" pin-PAP reduces/lowers the RG for an early rol to control the hook.
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Re: Low Flare Drilling
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2015, 07:44:00 PM »
How about a Break Down? The ball is super smooth off the dry and isn't jumpy. Very drill and bowling style friendly. No need to adjust layouts on it either to control flare. I've had a few guys throw it who are heavy handed and at best I see 3.5" of flare. Give it a try!
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Re: Low Flare Drilling
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2015, 07:46:43 PM »
I would tinker with surfaces before I went with niche 2 inch pin to pap layouts, that for the most part, hit like dog shit, but thats just me.
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Re: Low Flare Drilling
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2015, 08:20:04 PM »
I have 450-475 Rev and 17.5 mph per the monitor. So I am borderline Rev dominant and the 2 inch works well for me. I also follow the 2 inch with a 5.5 inch when I have to migrate left. To each their own.

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Re: Low Flare Drilling
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2015, 06:04:50 AM »
The real answer here is you aren't going to be able to do enough with the ball.  Slow ball speed, a rev rate of 400 and high axis rotation is a bad combination, especially when you want a tamer reaction on more difficult conditions.

It's cool to have a car that will go 0-60 in 4 seconds, but sometimes you have to lift off the skinny pedal to turn a corner.

Sometimes a bowler has to tone things down a bit to get the reaction they desire.

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Re: Low Flare Drilling
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2015, 02:12:09 PM »
If you want low flare pin toward the track.The 2 inch pin with low ball speed and lots of dry=ball that pukes.Early roll used up for the backend.A friend of mine bought the new low flare hammer its not a dry lane ball by no means.Just look at the core plus the aggressive cover.Don't understand why its for dry.Get a Tropical breeze and go 5 1/2 to 6 inch pin.should be fine for low flare.

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Re: Low Flare Drilling
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2015, 07:06:48 PM »
Nationals isn't exactly low volume.

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Re: Low Flare Drilling
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2015, 07:17:40 PM »
It's low ratio
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