Hi everyone, just curious, my PAP is 4 over by 1 inch up, I was wondering how other cope with short pin balls when laying out equipment, short pins for me always end up with cg's in or next to the fingers when I do standard layouts, like a 5 x 3 or even a 4 x 4. Just curious how others deal with this situation.
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Why don't you use those layouts and just put the pin under the fingers.  Draw your arc for the pin to pap distance, then your cg to pap distance.  Now where the two lines meet, draw a 1"circle around the intersection.  Now draw a roughly 1" circle around the pin.  You want to then draw a line connecting the 1" to where it meets the arc of the 1" circle around the pin.  Thats going to be your mid line.  Now measure from the 1" pap circle 4" and that and draw your grip and cut lines and you're set.  If you want, check out the post with pictures on bowlingballexchange.com that MeNoRevs posted in the drilling section.  This will help answer any questions
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ice,

First off, you dont have to drill balls with short pins.  I had a person that had a 3.5 PAP and asked a similar question.  I told him that he needed to put the pin below the middle finger and the cg near the center of grip and after plugging and redrilling with that layout, he responded saying the beast had been unleashed from the ball.  FWIW, you can still do 5x3 layouts and have the pin under the fingers.  I have another friend that has a slow ball speed and low track and he wanted something that hooked in oil.  He got his hands on a Granite Gargoyle.  He asked how I would lay it out.  I told him to do a 4.5 x 4, pin below the fingers.  He did exactly that and his response was that it hooked more than anything in his bag.  DO NOT be afraid to do pin down drillings.  If the pin is a 1 inch pin lets say, do a drilling where the pin is below the bridge and cg stacked directly underneath.  That will give you an early, but continuous roll through the pins.
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woops hit the post button too soon...i did try an pin under the middle finger, but only problem is when i do that some balls roll over the thumb and some dont, nd even with under bridge my track almost sits dead ontop of the thumb with certain balls
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