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General Category => Drilling & Layouts => Topic started by: ccrider on December 08, 2013, 06:26:08 PM
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I decided to lay my Mastermind out strong for heavy oil 45 x 4.5 x 55. This layout places the mb on my VAL. My PAP is 6 over and 3/4 up and my ball speed is 15-16 Quibica.
I can not remember laying out a ball with the mb on my VAL. Can anyone give me some insight on how placing the mb on or close to the VAL will affect ball reaction.
I am looking for the ball to read the midland and finish strong on heavier sport shots. I have plenty of balls to cover heavier THS walled on the outside.
Thanks.
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I saw this...and im not 100% how accurate it but seems imformative...
http://forums.hammerbowling.com/showthread.php?t=12459
"When you put the MB on the VAL, the ball reaction shape will be forward roll. When you want the ball to straighten out on the backend, this is the drill pattern that people go for. "
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The lower the number, the quicker the ball will transition. Thus, this leads to the ball straightening out. Doesn't mean it rolls out, just means that it tends to set up more, as opposed to something like a MB at a 65 or 70 degree angle. When I was higher tilt and a little more spin, I loved that on everything since it set up so nice.
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http://www.bowlersreference.com/Ball/Layout/Dual.htm
Generally speaking putting the MB on the VAL will lead to an Arc/Smooth type of reaction rather than the hockey stick shape if the MB is near the thumb.
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I've done some winning with that layout.
Lots of midlane and then a backoff in the back. Really sets up nice on the left when there is head and midlane oil and then tons of backend.
When light strikes can carry and the backends are flying this works! When higher boards in the pocket are needed this is NOT the one. I have had my best luck with this drilling with Pearlish type of balls or balls with Mica, like the old Hammer Crimson Red Sledgehammer! When put on a solid I usually found it to be overkill.
The cover surface and drilling for me as a rev dominant player made it seemed like I had combined too many early roll characteristics in to one ball.
My Sledghammer Still powerful, smooth rounded off backend and really carrys those light and flush pocket hits! In many cases too much flare and midlane for many of the lighter oil volume centers I now encounter.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS some called these drilling setups Hook Set! It always fit in my mind!
PPS on some other wet conditions I am more of a fan a revs leverage on solids in these wet conditions league conditions.
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Thanks for the replies guys. I do not have a true heavy oil ball in my lineup right now. Last heavy oiler was a Nexus drilled 30 x 3.5 x 20. Rolled ok, but was not what I expected as far as overall strength on a heavy sports shot. I must admit that I was just adjusting to the change from 16 to 14 and was definitely speed dominant and throwing it bad at that time. I am sure I could pull it out now and get better results on the right shot.
I am looking for a stronger move on the backend and an overall strong reaction for heavier patterns, so I think I will reduce the VAL angle and and pin to pap. May try 45 x 4 x 35. I am guessing that will place the mb closer to my thumb.
I am just concerned with setting the ball up too strong, but I guess I can always adjust the cover if need be, and also add an appropriate weight hole. If all else fails, I have a Stealth Bomber sitting in the corner to drill to catch the slack.
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I'd look at 55 x 3.25" x 30 with a x-hole as needed. Also I'd look at adjusting the surface to 360 grit and then 500grit or 360/800.
The pin to pap in the 3-3.5" range will help with getting the ball to move more then at 4.5"
Also the surface adjustment even on your mastermind should help handle the heavier oil a lot better
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The pin to pap in the 3-3.5" range will help with getting the ball to move more then at 4.5"
Also the surface adjustment even on your mastermind should help handle the heavier oil a lot better
This is a good suggestion. However, if I recall the Blueprint Track Flare Study, it indicated most asymmetricals with lower-medium intermediate diffs, had flare peaked at about 4-4.5". Being that the Mastermind has an int diff of .015, it will likely fall into that category. I actually think his layout idea of 45x4x35 will work out well, but still hard to know for sure without revrate and tilt...
In either case, we are really just splitting hairs. Lol. And either layout can be tweaked with a hole.
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Thanks. I layed it out last night 40 x 4 x 35. Went deep with ring finger but will have to add a weight hole to make if legal. Seems like I hit in between the recommendations above.
Now I need a shot to test it on. Will let you know how it rolls.
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Flare doesn't always equal hook. The reason for the shorter pin suggestion is for that of ball movement. Instead of having forward roll, having more side roll. Any of the layouts should work out great. Surface adjustment and x-hole location is going to be where the best tuning of the reaction can happen.
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For what its worth, I have used this layout on a pearl ball and I used a layout from Track's layout page. It was 5" from pin to PAP, MB on VAL, and a 3" pin buffer. It did exactly as described, length and smooth transition. I wasn't a super huge fan of it, but it really worked on a burned up pattern. Allowed me to play straighter to the pocket either deeper inside or up the boards on the outside. Unfortunately this layout was too shot specific for my needs.
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I am really looking for a stronger reaction both in the midlane and backend. With the 40 x 4 x 35, the mb ended up in a stronger position, closer to the thumb hole. I will throw the ball tomorrow night to see how it rolls. Bowled last night on old wood lanes; did not even take it out of the bag--way too much.
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Just following up on this. The 40 x4 x 35 gave me exactly what I was looking for. The ball is cleaner than you would expect in the front of the lane, picks up in the midland and is strong and continuos through the pin deck.
I adjusted the cover to 500/1000 and it actually toned down the sharp reaction in the backend.
Great ball. Thanks for the feedback.
CC
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i drilled my mastermind same as you and it is super rolly has nothing on back total mistake on my part not what i was looking for at all out of my mastermind but that is my fault for how i drilled it.