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lefty50

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Serious diagnosis needed.... Please help
« on: June 07, 2004, 06:28:46 PM »
Posting this here and in Ebonite forum I guess... Problem concerns my V2 Strong probably...
Serious feedback appreciated. I'll give you all equipment and stats I know. I need help diagnosing the problem. I really need to figure this out. Career bad night in league last night. Went in with a V2 Strong, Vendetta particle, and Trauma ER, all dulled to 600-800.

Lefty stats...
PAP 4-1/4 by 1/2 up.
Low rev tweener throwing 17 MPH at release.
60-90 degree axis rotation. CATS at Reno came out at 90.
Equipment:
ER drilled pin under ring, 3 inch pin with CG kicked out 1/2 inch, balance hole below PAP
Vendetta drilled 3-3/8 stacked just under ring, 2 inch pin with CG straight down.
V2 Strong drilled pin next to ring, 3 inch pin, CG straight down, balance hole below PAP
3 lefties on pair last night.
I never have used polish. Low rev lefties and polish are a bad combination usually. I've ALWAYS throw it thru the breakpoint with polish, anytime, anywhere, no exceptions.

Last night:
Left of 5 was O/B for everybody, everything. Inside of 10 seemed to have same problem. Shot was like bowling in a tunnel between 5-8 for any reaction. Both other lefties were doing well.

ER was visibly hooking off my hand, easy to read. Wrong ball.
Vendetta (squirrely ball) was flat out inconsistent. Ice skating left of 5, ice skating in oil inside 10, Squirrrely in the tunnel.
I tried the V2 in the O/B, it moved 1 board, wouldn't come out.
I tried the V2 in oil inside 10 straight up... It moved 2-3 boards, hit like mush.
I tried the tunnel in 5-8.. Absolutely dead, might as well shoot it and get it over with.

After league, I stuck around the pair to see what was going on.
Obviously too dry for Trauma, crossing over.. No good.
I tried the Vendetta swinging out 16-8. Eureka! Hook city, recovered, massive strike potential. I diagnose that as me finally having found some oil on a dry night??

AHA I thought, the V2 strong should be ok here too now that I know what's up.  I should be able to find a line.
Tried the same swing. Embarrassing. Lope, dead, can't get back to pocket anywhere close to the Vendetta.
If I can't use it in oil like the inside of 10 shot, and can't swing it out with recovery, what the heck good is it? It's done that pretty much everywhere, every thing I try with it is just a major disappointment.
Funny thing is, I bought it cuz of the Ebonite Demo Day, where the ball I threw was great.

Question... Is it possible that the V2 Strong is too strong, still burning out? Is it condition specific? If the Vendetta particle turns really well, and I found oil inside, I expected SOMETHING from the V2, but it throws, rolls, and hits like mush, everytime, everywhere.. I bought it for a sport shot, but only got minimal reaction there also.
Sigh....
Is it drilling, particle, or the V2?
Funny thing is, I just bought a V2 particle to try out. If I'm right, the problem will only get worse.
Thoughts?

 

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Re: Serious diagnosis needed.... Please help
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2004, 09:40:32 AM »
It might be to strong to play the tunnel if you are playing down and in.
and like you said, the other two spots were OOB.  Did you try moving
right to alow the ball to skid in the oil some, before it got to the tunnel?
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Re: Serious diagnosis needed.... Please help
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2004, 09:49:16 AM »
With your axis rotation and bowling on a tube type shot you are bound to have problems.  You may want to try an up the back release to cut the rotation down and play inside the oil just bumping the drier area.

How was the V2 srong drilled at the demo days and how is it drilled now?
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Re: Serious diagnosis needed.... Please help
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2004, 11:32:14 AM »
also the surface and drilling are not helping you there. I have a higher axis rotation in the 70 deg range( when I do it on purpose ).

pin down and cg out i.e. 5 x 3 have been great in getting the ball into a forward roll.

it is hard to swing tube shots so you have to manage the friction all the way down and hit your breakpoint to avoid the OOB.

given your rotation and stacked drillings I sure that shiny equipment gives you over/under just like it did for me. try a higher surface like a 1500 sanded. also try the V2 strong with some ebonite polish. I found it to be a great ball to go to after the shot broke down. my was drilled 5 x 4. it cleared the heads well and read the midlane but didn't grab as hard as when it was dull. the ball became a little more angular on the back. it was great to up the boards on a broken down lane.


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Re: Serious diagnosis needed.... Please help
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2004, 12:01:52 PM »
Thanks for the feedback, answering all replies.

livespive, yup, I moved right. Very weak, never came back

Doc, the demo days ball was 1-2 inch pin, just left and 1.5 inches below ring, with cg straight under, but it was a different shot that day, so I didn't mention it..... Current V2 is drilled pin next to ring, 3 inch pin, CG straight down, balance hole below PAP.

Omega, I shoulda tried up the back, good point. I'll try going to a 1500 surface. I've been bowling a long time and have paranoia in that regard, since I equate less surface adding to the problem of shooting past the breakpoint. That could be part of my problem.

Two questions.
1. In a 5x3, what number is referenced first, pin or CG? Sorry, my brain isn't there right noew  

2. What drillings have you found favorable for a low rev, 90 degree axis bowler?

Thanks!

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Re: Serious diagnosis needed.... Please help
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2004, 12:16:07 PM »
I had the same probelm in my friday night league.  I am a righty, and owner of the house is a lefty.  left side was wide open, no OB.  Right side was a tube shot.  1-5 was heavy oil, 6- 10 was dry, and then everything inside of that was oil city.   I did horrible the first three games,  trying to play the dry area, try to loop it to the dry.  I ended up having to use the power groove with no hand in the dry.  Broke my wrist with back, and just concentrated on coming thru the ball, with lots of speed.  I go 160, 160, 160, 265, four game trio league.  Just when you get that type of shot, firm up with the speed,  and cut the wrist down.  Hope that helps you a little.  

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Re: Serious diagnosis needed.... Please help
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2004, 01:59:39 PM »
lefty50,

The first number is the pin placement, and the second is the CG.

As far as drillings go, I think the closer that you get to 90
degree the closer the pin gets to the bridge.

I am just guessing and someone will chime in but a low rev high
degree axis of rotion should use a low rg ball with pin 3-3/8 or further.

I'm guessing with 4-1/4 by 1/2 the pin is not that far from your pap
so you are probably burning the ball up.
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Re: Serious diagnosis needed.... Please help
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2004, 02:23:04 PM »
what does it mean where there is an out of bounds?  is it just completely dry or flooded with oil?

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Re: Serious diagnosis needed.... Please help
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2004, 02:28:54 PM »
quote:
what does it mean where there is an out of bounds?  is it just completely dry or flooded with oil?


Completely flooded with comparision to the rest of the alley.
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