Author Topic: Need an Unusual Drilling (Read 3255 times)

Overhand · « **on:** February 12, 2005, 06:50:24 AM »

House out here is having, uh, lane guy issues and a pattern is being laid out here where a Super Carbide Bomb drilled modified leverage does not get into a roll at all.

At the back end the ball doesn't even twitch. An Ultimate Inferno drilled roll-heavy likes it even less.

Ball speed is about 16, PAP 5 3/8" over, 3/4" up. I've tried straight up 13, pointing the ball from the corner, throwing cross alley at the head pin (ball just straightens out.

So, I need a drilling that I can lay on a low grit surface ball (dont' know what it'll be yet...probably a cheap used something) that I can get the core to do all the movement.

Drill pattern probably doesn't exist but I have to try something. Ideas?

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Bluff · « **Reply #1 on:** February 12, 2005, 06:43:32 PM »

EASY TAKE YOU SUPER CARBIT AND THREW STRAIGHT AT 1-3 , FOR RIGHT AND 1-2 FOR THE WRONG SIDERS

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nd300 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 12, 2005, 06:47:53 PM »

Don't know your ball preerence or whether this will work on a BOMB core from Lane#1,but try an axis leverage where a weight hole is drilled through your PAP.
I have an SD-73 drilled that way and have to stand 30,play 19 out to 10 to keep it on the 1-3 side. The more side turn you put on this ball/drilling the more it turns and gets the ball to move.
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omegabowler · « **Reply #3 on:** February 12, 2005, 11:41:25 PM »

if they are perp with an unplayable shot you don't have much choice.

the last time I ahd a good ball reaction opn long heavy oil was a while back. my firend could not get any movment but I was.

I had a phenom( you could get a Animal or the new Rule GP2) 400 grit drilled with the pin 4" from pap, 1" above grip line. I ahd the MB in the strong position #2.

the ball would go for ever and make anice small arc to the pocket. you ahd to keep speed down and go straight up the lane. no swinging on oil!

of course this ball will do tricks on shorter oil lanes. it looked nice on long oil but it went crazy on a short patterns. I never seen a particle turn so hard so quick.

The lanemaster guaranteed is supposed to hook like crazy and may be woth a try.

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stanski · « **Reply #4 on:** February 13, 2005, 12:04:22 AM »

You say your scb is drilled modified leverage. Is this meaning that its not stacked leverage, yet not label leverage, or does this mean something else?

If you are really having that much trouble moving the ball, there is really not much stronger you can get than an scb in any type of leverage. The proprietor must have a lot of money, or, no offense, you must not have a lot of hand, because if there is really that much oil, all the machines will start having problems very quickly with that much oil. Plus, the expense of oiling every lane that heavily will take its tole on the profit sheets.

You say in your profile that you are a stroker, so maybe the pattern is more medium heavy, and you need to slow the ball down and try and put a few more revs on the ball? This would be the only suggestion i can make, sorry i couldn't be of more help.

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Strapper_Squared · « **Reply #5 on:** February 13, 2005, 03:51:38 PM »

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You say your scb is drilled modified leverage. Is this meaning that its not stacked leverage, yet not label leverage, or does this mean something else?

If you are really having that much trouble moving the ball, there is really not much stronger you can get than an scb in any type of leverage.

Yeah, I would have to agree... there just isn't very much out there that is stronger than a leverage SCB. If you are truely having trouble getting the ball to hook (and it actaully isn't burning up), then I would just go over the cover of the SCB with a green scotch-brite pad... wet it down with a little cleaner and go light.. this will give it roughly 400-600 grit surface. Dull with a high load particle should hook at least a little... otherwise nothing is going to move...

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charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** February 13, 2005, 06:13:20 PM »

let me ask this:

Who, with what revs, is using what ball on this "condition" that is working?

Could it be that you're actually seeing too light an oil for these super oilers to work?

There is a rev leverage drilling. Put the pin 3 3/8" from your PAP on a direct line toward the grip center, Place the CG on or on a line from the pin toward your VAL at a 45 degree angle. Ebonite started this drilling.
See
http://www.ebonite.com/techcenter/drilling_instructions.php?title=Symmetric%20Core

Look for Drilling #3, called, "Rev Leverage".

It's THE strongest drilling I know.

Overhand · « **Reply #7 on:** February 13, 2005, 07:39:53 PM »

wow...tons of great responses...

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EASY TAKE YOU SUPER CARBIT AND THREW STRAIGHT AT 1-3 , FOR RIGHT AND 1-2 FOR THE WRONG SIDERS

tried it, no problem pointing the ball straight to the pocket, but tired of the fives, nines, and the once per game 7-9's. i realize this may be life in this house from now on.

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Don't know your ball preerence or whether this will work on a BOMB core from Lane#1,but try an axis leverage where a weight hole is drilled through your PAP.
I have an SD-73 drilled that way and have to stand 30,play 19 out to 10 to keep it on the 1-3 side. The more side turn you put on this ball/drilling the more it turns and gets the ball to move.

will look at this though I'm sure that ANY side rotation will skid to eternity.

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I had a phenom( you could get a Animal or the new Rule GP2) 400 grit drilled with the pin 4" from pap, 1" above grip line. I ahd the MB in the strong position #2.

that's the pattern except the hole in on top of the cg.

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If you are really having that much trouble moving the ball, there is really not much stronger you can get than an scb in any type of leverage. The proprietor must have a lot of money, or, no offense, you must not have a lot of hand, because if there is really that much oil, all the machines will start having problems very quickly with that much oil. Plus, the expense of oiling every lane that heavily will take its tole on the profit sheets.

You say in your profile that you are a stroker, so maybe the pattern is more medium heavy, and you need to slow the ball down and try and put a few more revs on the ball? This would be the only suggestion i can make, sorry i couldn't be of more help.

great comments...

yep, don't have much hand and need to keep it that way. used to be a cranker and can't go back to it...i seem to be more versitile now despite this 'pattern from hell'.
-slowing down is something i'm going to try...gotta learn to do it without destroying timing...
- revs question, what some ways to increase revs? obviously yanking on the ball...but is there a hand, wrist or finger position?

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Who, with what revs, is using what ball on this "condition" that is working?

two individuals shot one good game each on this pattern. the 290 guy broke his wrist back and postioned his thumb to 9:00. he described that he simply would 'drop' the ball down 15. rough surfaced ball, pattern unknown. the delivery was NOT his regular 215 avg throw...finished with a 613.

the 289 guy through a better ball, very good up-the-back throw shallow 13 with a polished hot wire...movement was all up front. he did have three brooklyns as he pointed the ball. medium to slow ball speed with same revs as mine. he finished with 650. both guys did their big game in game 3 as the right side broke down a bit (i guess).

tried to imitate the up-the-back, and eventually hit it right and the ball still skidded off the back of the deck. must be missing something.

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Could it be that you're actually seeing too light an oil for these super oilers to work?

nope, all the shooters in our two leagues are seeing a flooded condition. shot two tournaments on before and after that league and even though they were tough, set shots, i was able to do adjustments that allowed me make some kind of shot. denver masters was a pretty tubular, difficult condition, but i knew what the shot was.

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Me, I'd just complain like hell and not spend any $$$ since they're bound to get enough complaints to fix it somehow (new lane guy, new oiler, different type of oil, etc.)

And in the interim I'd play "up". Meaning stand left (assuming you're righty) and "point" the ball over 10 at the pocket with as minimal axis rotation and and axis tilt as possible. Take every ball you've got and see which one works the best on this "line" (especially insofar as hit and pin carry).

There comes a time when you just gotta do something like this. Seeing Amleto on TV today reminded me of his first major (?) Anyway I think it was the Masters and a *nasty* long pattern back in the urethane era and he just flung it up 15 right at the pocket. He actually carried pretty well doing that ...

yea, that's where i'm at...won't quit the league but since i can pick from six houses, i'll take my business elsewhere.

i realize this is an opportunity train under a difficult condition, but wonder if this type of condition is too extreme. wish i could get a tape of the condition or compare it to nationals so i could get a feel from the community how this compares to anything else out there.

thanx for the great comments and please post more if you have something to say.

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stanski · « **Reply #8 on:** February 13, 2005, 09:22:36 PM »

An easy way to increase revs right off the bat is to cup your wrist and tuck your pinky. This, with a combination of lower tilt and lower rotation should help get the ball into a roll sooner. Stay behind the ball as long as possible, and invision coming around right at the very last second. This is the optimal way to increase revs. All of these techniques allow you to keep your normal form, yet make small adjustments, which shouldn't hurt your game and will make you more versatile.
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2EZ · « **Reply #9 on:** February 14, 2005, 09:58:56 AM »

My .02

Had success helping a friend out who was in a similar situation you are in now. House got busted for leaving the outside too dry, so they increased the units outside to get back to legal. This left my friend with not being able to get a decent reaction on the heavier oil with his stroker style of game. Drilled him a V2 Particle 2 1/2 x 0, (ball had a 2 1/2 inch pin), placing the cg right on his pap, with the pin in line with his ring finger and pap. Balance hole right on the pap, through the cg.
Ball rolls early, with a controlled, but continual backend. Ball hits like a brick through single-pane glass.
Results: After not putting up anything over 520 in 6 weeks (195 - 200 average bowler), he has thrown this ball the last three weeks and not shot under 600, with a high game of 258, high series of 652. Most importantly, he is enjoying bowling again.
Best of luck with whatever you decide to try.

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