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timw

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Need low. Flare drilling
« on: June 10, 2024, 06:51:01 PM »
For dual angle, I think a low flare drilling might be 90 x 2 1/4 x 45.

In storms layout system what would low flare layout be equivalent to this dual angle.

I’m very very slow speed 11 mph, 220 rev rate and Somewhat higher tilt. I am a spin biscuit I’m told and have gone down from 4 3/4 by half up to 3 1/2 x 1/2.
Two of my three leagues have very little oil, walled house shot, but it’s way too over and under for me. My average of 176 is 11 pins higher in the oily house shut, which is more blended. Looking for help in the dryer
House shot.
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Re: Need low. Flare drilling
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2024, 12:59:22 PM »
A 2-1/4" pin-to-pap is going to create more flaring and a stronger ball reaction.  You're going to want a P2P of 5" or 5-1/4".  A first angle of 90 is going to cause the ball to go much further down the lane before it gets into its roll and 90 is about as high as anyone goes.  You're on the right track with the first angle at 90 (although I've never actually seen anyone go that high) because of your ball speed.  If that length works for you then I'd go something like 90 x 5½ or 5¼ x 60 (that last angle determines how quickly the ball responds to friction (lower is faster), although you're really, really weakening the ball at that point.  Have you considered a ball like the Twist on drier conditions?
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itsallaboutme

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Re: Need low. Flare drilling
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2024, 03:24:47 PM »
You need to give more information.  What balls are you using?  At 11 mph the ball type is going to be way more important than the layout.

What weight ball are you using? Dropping weight might be the first answer to get the speed up.  Everyone's argument will be "but I will lose carry".  But you can't worry about carry unless you're hitting the pocket.
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timw

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Re: Need low. Flare drilling
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2024, 04:52:15 PM »
Hustle wine 14 lb.  Old guy, slow. balance issues moved me way up on the approach.  Have had right knee replaced.  Gradual averag decline over last 15 years from 215.
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Re: Need low. Flare drilling
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2024, 05:15:25 PM »
Your pride doesn't want to hear it, but I'd tell you to try lighter.  Comfort and hitting the pocket have to be goal number 1.  Maybe a Tropical as the diff is lower than the Hammer and Brunswick balls, but more than the RG at lower weights. 
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Jesse James

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Re: Need low. Flare drilling
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2024, 01:39:06 PM »
I'm 70 years old. Speed has decreased a lot due to a torn bicep muscle I incurred about 7 years ago. I too have turned into a spin biscuit. Went from 4.25 over .5 up, to 1.5 over .75 up. My main issue since the change is carry. I've never had a problem with accuracy...I can hit the pocket. The problem with going with lighter balls is, you tend to overthrow them. I have both 15lbs and 14lbs in my arsenal. I tend to pull the 14lbers more often than I'd like. I like what MJS73 said. He's spot on about the layouts. As a person who has experimented with all types of different layouts, going 90x5.25x45 has really helped me a lot. On regular house shots my speed is usually 12.90-13.50mph somewhere in there, depending on volume. That long pin to pap allows your ball to transition smoothly on the backend and get the ten pin out. If you throw it slower than me than your third number may be 60 or a little higher. Good luck with whatever you decide on doing.
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Re: Need low. Flare drilling
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2024, 11:25:03 PM »
It's impressive how you've adjusted your game over time, especially after your injury. Your insights into ball weight and layout adjustments are invaluable.
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timw

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Re: Need low. Flare drilling
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2024, 12:53:32 AM »
Jesse James.  Do you use urethane?  Like on dry or very cliffed lanes?  How does that work for you?
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Re: Need low. Flare drilling
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2024, 12:20:25 PM »
Yes I have. I actually like using urethane and it normally works well for me. On cliffed lanes it tends to smooth out my reaction. The biggest issue is, I have to remember to migrate right rather than left. I'm a right-hander, and sometimes to get maximum effectiveness I actually throw it a little slower than normal.
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Jesse James

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Re: Need low. Flare drilling
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2024, 12:22:00 PM »
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Thank you sir. I hope it helped!
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Re: Need low. Flare drilling
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2024, 12:43:51 AM »
Quote from: timw on June 10, 2024, 06:51:01 PM
For dual angle, I think a low flare drilling might be 90 x 2 1/4 x 45.

In storms layout system what would low flare layout be equivalent to this dual angle.

I’m very very slow speed 11 mph, 220 rev rate and Somewhat higher tilt. I am a spin biscuit I’m told and have gone down from 4 3/4 by half up to 3 1/2 x 1/2.
Two of my three leagues have very little oil, walled house shot, but it’s way too over and under for me. My average of 176 is 11 pins higher in the oily house shut, which is more blended. Looking for help in the dryer
House shot.

On a symmetrical ball, a 2 1/4 pin to pap will flare as much as a 4.5 pin to pap, which could still be a lot of flare.  if you want less flare, then you should go 1 to 1 1/2 inch pin to PAP.  Only thing is that you need to be precise with your PAP location, because if you get too close with the pin, it will lock onto your PAP at release and you will get virtually zero flare.  With a weaker release your axis could also migrate to your initial PAP quickly and have no fllare.  If you are getting over under with longer pin to pap and higher up pins, then a shorter pin might work for you.  Though usually spinners don't see extreme over under.  I would look at your ball and surface choice first.  Unfortunately most new covers are super responsive to friction and not smooth.  As you have discussed, urethane or maybe the new Rattler NU might be good.  That ball looks pretty smooth.  One of the Motiv tanks might be good as well. 
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J_w73

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Re: Need low. Flare drilling
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2024, 04:23:13 AM »
Just saw a video about the CTDTrucut Gloss product.  If you are seeing over under, maybe this will help you smooth out your reaction. It looks like it will reduce the overall hook though.

https://ctdbowling.com/blogs/news/trucut-gloss-powered-by-turtle-wax
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